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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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a little bit later

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on the power cast

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will get into monster mode some people

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say i go into monster mode when i look

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in the mirror

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where i say

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somebody stopped me or something but

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it's not quite that bad

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that's lady with linda godfrey and she

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has a new book out

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which is affectionately called

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monsters among us

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and i thought for a second when i saw

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that title you know what maybe she's

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talking about politicians but then we

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get attacked if we talk about

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politicians

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but remember we are equal opportunity

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offenders let me give you an example of

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this we received

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a nasty email from somebody referring to

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an interview that we did on the power

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cast with someone named l.a marzulli

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and i barely remember that interview i

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bet you don't even remember it chris do

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you because you weren't there yeah

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that was before my time right this is

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2009 so somebody

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takes

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an interview that we did in 2009 and

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writes us a hate message about it

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how wrong we were how rude we were to

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the guest

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so without going into detail because i

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don't have the patience

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i wrote back to the person and said all

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this interview was done

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in 2009 with a different co-host

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you know it's kind of out of date

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and that made the person even more

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incendiary and they want to deny

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that we did the interview in 2009 even

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though if you go to the site

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the powercast.com what does it say 2009.

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it takes all kinds

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in any case last week as you know we did

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called shop talk

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and we talked a lot about music

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and also about music and ufos about

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different entertainers being

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interested in the subject of course john

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lennon had a famous ufo sighting with

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then girlfriend mae pang

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in the mid 70s

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so you know we see this interest in

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sammy hagar as an abductee and all that

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i thought that'd be interesting i guess

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people didn't like it that much when we

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started talking about music

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as opposed to just things flying in the

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sky or ghosts and things like that

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all right things happen we can't predict

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when we do 52 shows a year without

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exception whether you'll like it or not

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and then it gets to a more interesting

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noticed that nick was online on skype

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and i sent him a note you want to do the

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show sure but not about rendelsham

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because he's been on the show several

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times about that or ufos he is also

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interested in conspiracy theories

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but he is a conspiracy theory

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skeptic if you noticed last week and

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after the power cast

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he believes in some conspiracy theories

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but he thinks

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that the jfk assassination was a lone

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that 9 11 is the result of

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or inter-agency rivalry in the u.s so we

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didn't pick up all the signals if we had

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a better way of cooperating if we had a

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homeland security department at that

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time which we did not maybe we would

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i tend to think in a more conspiratorial

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people are entitled to their opinion but

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so far it seems that people

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are just dismissing nick pope out of

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hand and not listening to the episode

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chris that you know kind of disappoints

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a lot of times it's the people that have

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issues with a particular guest or a

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particular subject that they're you know

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make their displeasure known

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where the vast majority of people

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maybe don't particularly like the guy

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but they don't particularly dislike him

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whole adage adages if you work for the

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you are handcuffed to a certain extent

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the type of information you're exposed

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to so you always have to take

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everything with a grain of salt from

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somebody who is an ex-astronaut an

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ex-air force pilot

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the adage that i use a lot is once a

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spook always spooky

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that being said uh nick is is very

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smooth and very

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you know slick and teflon like

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when it comes to discussing especially

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the ufo subject and uh

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i think he's forced uh

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by circumstance to make to present a

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more conservative

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point of view

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uh which may or may not reflect his his

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true feelings about a particular subject

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in government service you're beholden to

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account when you're talking with the

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john alexanders and the edgar mitchells

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appear to be stepping outside of that

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walter bosley kind of comes to mind

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again he'll tell you right out there

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certain things he cannot talk to sources

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the guy a little bit of slack

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his involvement in the prediction of a

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ufo event at the london olympics i

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thought that was a little bit beneath

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him they must have paid him a lot of

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money to do that

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for him to get involved because that

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out of character at least in my mind i

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don't really know nick that well but uh

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you know i've had a chance to talk to

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him on a number of occasions of course

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we've had him on the show a number of

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but you know you do have to uh remember

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the complaints and the uh

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hate mail whatever you want to call it

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every one of our guests are going to

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have detractors and it's the ones that

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displeasure the ones that are going to

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and make it appear that um

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it's a bigger deal than it really is

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you know i i don't really care one way

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or another what a person thinks about me

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or any of our guests you know that's

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that's their business if they don't

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like what we do they don't like how we

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i've gone through you know one of the

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the hardest years definitely the hardest

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year of my adult life here the last uh

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you know 13 14 months and

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and people are taking exception to

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my particular attitude or whatever well

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i've been going through a lot gene's

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been going through a lot and

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we're trying to put the best you know

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our best face forward but at times it's

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difficult and uh you know there's been

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some detractors uh moaning and groaning

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about oh chris is this and chris is that

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gene's getting a new co-host yeah

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whatever um

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okay and i just tell you i'm not going

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to go into details but as some of our

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i'm in the process of trying to find a

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new place to live because the landlord

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and sold this place and so we have to

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we're in a hotel or we're in the street

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this happens to a lot of people so we're

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busy looking for a new home while we're

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trying to do this show one way or the

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other the show gets done i don't know

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from where but that's my particular

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situation we've all had problems chris

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has had tragedy and he's had illness

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and that's how it goes now when it comes

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to someone who works for the government

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the situation if you're working in an

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you've got to do what you've got to do

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but that doesn't make this person a bad

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person because in a sense we're saying

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you work for the government you got to

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be bad

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no you work for the government because

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maybe you like doing it maybe it was the

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job that was available

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maybe you think you're contributing to

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society by working in that government

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job you're doing something that's good

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and the question is is a nick pope

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because he can't tell you things and he

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tells you flat out

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the things i can't say related to

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national security that was my job in the

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ministry of defense

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we understand that you know god and

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country and everything it doesn't mean

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he's lying to you

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it means he has to hold back he has to

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be cautious in certain areas but there

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still could be plenty of information

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there to evaluate understanding the

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exceptions but once again anyone

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involved in a military agency a defense

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with possible security connections what

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kehoe the big ufo pioneer

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major of course he had been retired for

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many decades

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on the powercast this week the topic is

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monsters among us and we're not talking

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about the monsters we hear

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in those political campaigns

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and at political conventions because we

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can start a whole discussion that people

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do not want to hear

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or anyone else we've got

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someone who

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goes after monsters

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quite often and that is linda godfrey

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welcome back to the powercast i'm so

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glad to be back thanks for having me

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now when it comes to monsters and we'll

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get into the book in a moment

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what's our fascination because obviously

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we like

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grotesque things that run around

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and that pick up little girls and throw

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them into the lake like

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the frankenstein's monster did in the

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original movie

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with boris carla for he sees

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this little girl

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throwing

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flowers into the

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lake

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and then he looks at her smiles and

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throws her into the lake remember that

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scene

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yes we never actually see him throw her

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into the lake we just see somebody

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carrying the dead girl

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later on because in those days we didn't

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show the rather graphic nature

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of a monster film it was always implied

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which was scarier in a lot of ways

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to me anyway

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well you see in those days too and

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here's an example

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in the original

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dracula

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which was a very tame

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movie not not the silent movie but the

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one with bella lugosi very tame movie

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very slow-moving

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when they did the stage play remember it

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was based on a stage play okay

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when they did the stage play

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you know people were screaming

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as a result of this when they did the

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movie people were just you know fainting

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in the aisles we forget how people

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reacted and then you know nowadays of

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course monster movies are very graphic

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you know blood gore right whatever

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and what is our fascination with all

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that

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well

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you know i think

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if you asked a psychologist you would

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get an answer something like well we we

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like to exteriorize that's a word that i

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see

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in that sort of situation quite often we

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like to exteriorize or bring out of

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ourselves

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the fears we have about our own

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selves our own actions our own bodies

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about being hurt and that kind of thing

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we like to

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put it out in front of us and have it in

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one

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scary package where it looks human

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enough that we can relate to it

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but it's just weird and gross and

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different enough that we can be scared

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witless over it

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and that somehow helps us

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maintain a balance i've seen variations

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on that explanation many times

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and i think there's a certain amount of

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it that holds true you know because so

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many of the people who write to me

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will say oftentimes say i felt like i

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was meant to see that or like it had

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there was a message there for me like

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there's something more going on than

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just some kind of a strange animal and i

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think that

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we do find it entertaining because we

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like to put ourselves in the place of

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those people and think what would i do

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what would uh

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happen you know if that had been me

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would i run whatever

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in my books i really am after a little

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more than just a scary story i like to

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compare and contrast and and um just

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reflect and

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speculate which means you know you know

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you're not doing any kind of scientific

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experiments because of course you know

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you can't prove or disprove most of the

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things people see

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but you can speculate and put things

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together and

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and help people deal with

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things that that really often do

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frighten them you know quite often and

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the thing that keeps me coming back to

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it is that so many people have these

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experiences they can't all be hoaxes

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they cannot all be

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just you know somebody having a

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hallucination that's similar to some guy

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in kentucky two states away that had the

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same quote-unquote hallucination and

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they never heard of each other they

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never saw

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whatever they were seeing

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in any other place you know there's

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there's no collaboration

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so i that's kind of the long

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the long twisty answer but

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people

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really do just enjoy getting a thrill

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and kind of a vicarious scare out of

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these incidents

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and that's what first attracts them and

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then as they learn more they're usually

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more deeply

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caught by the mystery of it and what are

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these things why are there so many why

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do they look kind of like us but a lot

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worse

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you know and

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um i i think that's what hooks people

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that's a good point and and the variety

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though is

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what's kind of bewildering to uh

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to me at times there's so many different

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types and descriptions and um

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i mean it just runs the gamut from a to

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z

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in terms of the different types how

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could something

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so pervasive and so

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you know there's just so many different

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types how could something like this

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exist

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in the physical world without being

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established as being physical are we

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dealing with something you think that's

551
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that's physical i i know it's hard to

552
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generalize but

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i think there's a lot of

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commonalities between the uh the various

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types of monsters that are reported out

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there do you think do you think in

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general these things are physical or

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there are

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paraphysical or a combination of both or

560
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i i think more and more that there's

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something

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paraphysical or other worldly about them

563
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you know and i hate to say paranormal

564
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because then people are thinking

565
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ghosts you know

566
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um and it's really not like that

567
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it seems that they have this uncanny

568
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very widespread collective intelligence

569
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that and i say that because people say

570
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the same thing no matter where they see

571
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it in the world and what the creatures

572
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they'll feel like the creature is aware

573
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of them

574
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that in a way that it shouldn't be if it

575
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were just a wild animal that it knows

576
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,679
something about them that it kind of

577
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:39,919
speaks to them maybe empathically not

578
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like hearing words in your head or

579
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any of the mental illness

580
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type of

581
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of symptoms but

582
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just that they feel it's communicating

583
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,559
with them somehow

584
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,039
and the messages are so similar

585
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,720
that people receive

586
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,000
it just

587
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,480
doesn't seem like it can be something

588
00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,480
natural that we know of at least not

589
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that we've

590
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,799
ever seen

591
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,360
you know in our zoology books it's

592
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it's something completely different and

593
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,760
there there are more my newest book the

594
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monsters among us

595
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is kind of based on this after 25 years

596
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of collecting reports almost 25 years of

597
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collecting these reports and writing the

598
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books and

599
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interviewing the witnesses and looking

600
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at them all

601
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at first the ones that seem to have that

602
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,360
paraphysical aspect

603
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,840
maybe transforming or maybe turning

604
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invisible or

605
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just suddenly vanishing or that kind of

606
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,000
thing

607
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,080
it seemed like i was getting more and

608
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,559
more of them in the beginning i

609
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got very few and it was kind of easy to

610
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,880
shuffle them off into another pile and

611
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,039
not really do too much with them

612
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,440
and then the last few years it seems

613
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like suddenly

614
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,520
people are mentioning that they have

615
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seen anomalous lights beforehand they're

616
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saying that the creatures vanished or

617
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were invisible or the bullets bounced

618
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off them even though they had direct hit

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with a

620
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semi-automatic weapon you know things

621
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:10,000
that should be really impossible if

622
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,360
these were just

623
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,600
timberwolves walking upright some type

624
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of unknown primate

625
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:18,400
some type of giant

626
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one of my favorite

627
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:25,600
very interesting reports was from the

628
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,360
mid 70s i think in 75 in montana

629
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where a bigfoot was seen by i think a

630
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girl and her brother

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outside in the yard or something and

632
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i think one of them pretended to like

633
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shoot it with a gun and it very

634
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theatrically clutched its chest fell

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godfrey the subtitle is an exploration

771
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of other worldly bigfoots wolfman

772
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,640
portals phantoms and odd phenomena i use

773
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,960
the word otherworldly so you're telling

774
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,320
us here

775
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,399
you're framing this linda as something

776
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,120
where these creatures whatever they are

777
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are not of this planet this dimension

778
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:42,720
what

779
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,720
well i particularly chose the word world

780
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,880
because

781
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,159
specifically

782
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,640
refer to a planet or a dimension or

783
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,840
anything it's

784
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,480
a world is something that a human can be

785
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,399
in and perceive as

786
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:01,440
an environment outside him or herself

787
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,320
okay

788
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,960
so a world could be another dimension

789
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:06,559
another planet

790
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,440
um

791
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,520
you know here i'm on planet earth we

792
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,520
usually refer to the world as what we

793
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,360
see immediately around us but if it's

794
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,960
another world

795
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,960
um you know and some people have have

796
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,120
claimed to see into what they thought

797
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,360
were portals where it looked like

798
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you would be able to step into it and

799
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experience it

800
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as

801
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,760
a world that you could live and breathe

802
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,120
and walk around in

803
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,120
so these other worlds are just

804
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,440
different habitats and environments and

805
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,399
perhaps we would not be able to move or

806
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,720
perceive anything or even exist in any

807
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,480
of these other worlds but

808
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,120
um it seems to me that

809
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there is just enough

810
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,440
um

811
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:51,919
evidence that's both anecdotal

812
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and also um some physical evidence you

813
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know like footprints that stop start in

814
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the middle of the field

815
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walk toward woods and and vanish or that

816
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um walk

817
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,840
and meet another creature and then one

818
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,600
disappears things like that

819
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,840
you start seeing that enough

820
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,399
and you think this is not

821
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,159
normal this is not

822
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,320
earth terra normal

823
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,480
something is going on hey maybe i just

824
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,200
did i just coined a word terra normal

825
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paranormal i like that chris what do you

826
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,200
think sounds like a good band name

827
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,840
the pteronormal i can see that now chris

828
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,159
that's a band for you your next band is

829
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:36,960
the pteronormal linda do you play music

830
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,480
abnormal the terror or as they say from

831
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,480
people who enjoy the film

832
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,399
young frankenstein

833
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:47,039
the tara abbey normal

834
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:48,080
oh

835
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,200
there you go

836
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,600
yeah

837
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,360
but i think i i may have to copyright

838
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,640
that so you'll just have to catch me

839
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,080
later chris and we'll we'll talk about

840
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,919
the bad news i'd be in the band the tara

841
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,159
abnormal

842
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,760
okay linda do you play a musical

843
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,960
instrument we're trying to recruit

844
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,640
members here

845
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,120
uh no nothing you'd want to hear uh i

846
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,159
did sing i i had a vocal minor in

847
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,760
college

848
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,000
and i i did sing but mostly like

849
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,480
classical type stuff

850
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,799
well you know that hasn't stopped other

851
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,200
singers from becoming rockers right

852
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,720
that's true that's true i know plenty of

853
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,880
pop songs yeah i i still sing a little

854
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,080
bit not like i used i mean my coloratura

855
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,720
range is gone but you know i i still

856
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,799
have some fun singing in the shower

857
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,799
probably staying in the shower a little

858
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,679
little karaoke uh jeff ballinger and i

859
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,360
did a really

860
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:41,840
mad rendition of i got you babe after

861
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,389
pericons boy

862
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,029
he said remind me never to do this again

863
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,640
i never could figure out who was singing

864
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,600
cher or a sonny i know they sounded

865
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,760
so similar well you know the worst thing

866
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,679
that happened here is i think cher had a

867
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:02,080
really good singing voice and then it

868
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,200
deepened

869
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,279
and i think she lost her higher register

870
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,360
i bet she blew it out yes that's what

871
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,640
happens yeah

872
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,480
because she was throat singing a lot of

873
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,440
the time

874
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,960
now i'll tell you who has blown out his

875
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,519
voice and it's really sad paul mccartney

876
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,240
is very raspy these days he's nowhere

877
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,240
like what he was in the old days i mean

878
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,320
he had this amazing voice but he was

879
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,159
shouting and screaming and trying to be

880
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,480
little richard and you can't live that

881
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,600
way

882
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:28,880
no

883
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,039
wanted to also go out for cheerleading

884
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,600
and my um voice professor said

885
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,279
absolutely not if you know if you want

886
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,360
to sing the choir you want to sing here

887
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,120
if you want to be a vocal minor you may

888
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:44,799
not be a cheerleader because you'll blow

889
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,559
your voice out pretty much word reward

890
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,919
oh well

891
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,760
yeah so now i just go out in the woods

892
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,000
and scream for bigfoot so

893
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:56,640
i don't have to worry about

894
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,519
wrecking my points anymore

895
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:01,679
that in a little tree thumping

896
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,880
once in a while once in a while i i did

897
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:05,760
have

898
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,200
an astounding experience last week

899
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,519
that i never thought i would have

900
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,320
involving the rock clacking thing

901
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,399
it was something you know yeah you know

902
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,120
they said to pick up a rock in each hand

903
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:21,679
and then clack them together yeah you

904
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,960
know and i always thought it just didn't

905
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,000
seem

906
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,000
that that would be a really effective

907
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,919
thing for them to do you know i i always

908
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,679
wondered about it it wasn't that i

909
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,600
thought it couldn't be i just i had my

910
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,760
doubts you know and i'd never

911
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,440
really known anyone personally who had

912
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,399
experienced it and

913
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,960
i had a friend from

914
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,200
the unknown creature spot which is the

915
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,200
facebook page where i

916
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,440
uh i started it as a yahoo page 10 years

917
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,279
ago and i still hang out there the most

918
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,440
and um somebody who wanted to come up

919
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,000
and go out with me on some trails she'd

920
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,799
never done this before at all

921
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,919
and

922
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,399
we hiked back into i took her to one of

923
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,000
the easier trailheads in the kettle

924
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,519
moraine

925
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,640
and i thought well we'll just do a

926
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,000
little introductory we'll walk around

927
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,520
we'll see if we see any

928
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,839
of the um you know huts or any of the

929
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:14,560
branch constructions that kind of thing

930
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,869
look like a tractor path that kind of

931
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,520
went veered off away from the main trail

932
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,520
and something about it just

933
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,520
made me think we should walk down there

934
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,879
which is usually where i get into big

935
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,679
trouble so we walked in a ways and sure

936
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,280
enough there was

937
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:35,440
the

938
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,359
big x formed by uh pulling up um

939
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,599
another sapling about the size of the

940
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,440
first sapling and then making them bend

941
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,079
and cross and kind of fastening together

942
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,240
and that's generally thought in bigfoot

943
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,679
circles to mean

944
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,440
this is your limits don't you don't want

945
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,000
it here don't go beyond this x

946
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,440
and uh the the woman who was uh with me

947
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,760
had brought some um

948
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,119
a couple little

949
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,280
uh nature friendly snacks you know a

950
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,200
little fruit just a couple of things and

951
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,280
she said it down by the x

952
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,359
and we heard this

953
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,400
click click

954
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,359
click clack click clack very sharp and

955
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,640
very close

956
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,280
i mean this wasn't a distant thing

957
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:20,000
and she didn't hear it i i have pretty

958
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,359
sensitive hearing and i heard that one

959
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,359
but she heard the next one the next one

960
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,920
was coming from a different direction

961
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,359
behind her

962
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,960
and that she heard

963
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,320
and then she heard another one it

964
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,480
sounded like there were two or three

965
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,800
different locations and when they were

966
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,480
clicking it it sounded like more it's

967
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,160
called it did it was like click click

968
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,359
clack clap click click clap clap clip

969
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,760
and of course i had just

970
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,920
when she put the food down i had said

971
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,320
out loud okay i'm putting my camera away

972
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,839
if you want to do it because

973
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,880
honestly

974
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,720
that's that is when

975
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,480
things happen which is

976
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,119
it they won't do anything so often if

977
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,880
there anything big that's ever happened

978
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,280
to me i haven't had the camera with me

979
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,640
or on

980
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,400
so i put i had put my cell phone camera

981
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,760
in my pocket

982
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,200
that's when it started

983
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,880
and this kept up

984
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,560
um you know for several minutes and we

985
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,560
started feeling freaked out we didn't

986
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:14,079
have rocks to answer them with and i'm

987
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,440
not sure that's wise anyway because you

988
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,440
don't know what they're saying

989
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,200
and you know it could be yeah eat me i'm

990
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,599
the one i'm i i've tasted the best

991
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,119
i'm just joking because i don't think

992
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,640
big footy people

993
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,079
but um but you just don't know so we

994
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,160
started walking out and

995
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,760
all this time i've been thinking well

996
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,760
could it be a woodpecker i we have lots

997
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,599
of woodpeckers in my neighborhood

998
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,119
and i know what they sound like and it

999
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,280
wasn't i knew that

1000
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,560
um

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before we learn more about woody the

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1003
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that ages me that i even remember a

1004
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:48,640
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so i look into the mirror as i said

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linda godfrey chasing monsters

1122
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:45,040
and where do we go when you look down

1123
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,480
these things

1124
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,480
and you look down these reports of

1125
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,680
monsters

1126
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,440
i've asked you this question before but

1127
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,520
we should mention it because we always

1128
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,359
have new listeners

1129
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,359
how do you vet the stories for people

1130
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,680
who just telling stories

1131
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,599
yeah that's a great question and one

1132
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,040
that i'm often asked i'm going to take

1133
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,720
one second and just tell you one more

1134
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,160
thing about that experience with the

1135
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,160
rock cliques if you don't mind okay this

1136
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,800
was not woody woodpecker then

1137
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,920
no it was not woody woodpecker because

1138
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:16,560
whatever these things were they followed

1139
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,839
us out all the way back to the end of

1140
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,200
this lane

1141
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,680
pacing us on either side of the of the

1142
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,520
lane woodpeckers would not do that

1143
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,720
they'll be in one spot they're very

1144
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,800
staccato they have a certain sound and

1145
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,400
that when they're hammering on a tree

1146
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,079
they're not following you out of the

1147
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,880
woods that was the freakiest part that

1148
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,319
was what let me know

1149
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,839
this was something really really unusual

1150
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:39,119
because there's nothing else that does

1151
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,920
that

1152
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,400
i hope your friend uh brought an extra

1153
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,960
pair of depends

1154
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,200
because first-timers don't always react

1155
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,440
well to situations like that you know

1156
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,359
that they're just so

1157
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,359
they're just ignorant of what could be

1158
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,359
going on which actually could be a

1159
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,520
blissful thing for some people but if

1160
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,760
she had any idea what could possibly

1161
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,760
have been going on i bet you she would

1162
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,880
have

1163
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,480
been a little bit frightened

1164
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,640
she was astonished and i think really

1165
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,400
nervous about it and didn't feel well

1166
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:10,160
for a couple of days

1167
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,000
so um yeah i i it i was actually amazed

1168
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,520
because i

1169
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,520
just wasn't sure that it was a real

1170
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,760
phenomena and i had it proved pretty

1171
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,079
well to me that it's exactly what people

1172
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:23,599
say they were keeping out of sight well

1173
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,560
behind

1174
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,800
the trees in the bushes you know

1175
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,599
but

1176
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,119
i just can't imagine what else it would

1177
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,359
have been so so anyway sorry i just

1178
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,599
wanted to get that in but as to your

1179
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,680
other question about how do you vet the

1180
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,160
tails that's a really important question

1181
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,359
because

1182
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,200
i think especially now where there's

1183
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,680
been in the past few years kind of a

1184
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,560
little explosion of sites about dog men

1185
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,280
and bigfoot and and other things where

1186
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,920
um every week there's a new person

1187
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,760
saying yep i saw it i'm

1188
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,680
you know going to collect stories send

1189
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,520
you send your stories to me and there's

1190
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,880
more and more of them

1191
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,160
and

1192
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,599
oftentimes

1193
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:03,440
i think what happens is somebody sends

1194
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,160
in

1195
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:07,200
a report it gets just thrown up

1196
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,720
on the

1197
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:10,720
screen or whatever it is not all of them

1198
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:13,280
but but sometimes that happens

1199
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:14,400
or

1200
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,160
there isn't really a way often to

1201
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,760
that say a first-time caller who's

1202
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,160
calling in and has this thing to present

1203
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,319
you don't know what they're going to say

1204
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,240
and it may end up being something that

1205
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,160
seems really

1206
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,319
outlandish compared to

1207
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:31,680
the general

1208
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,720
bulk of other sightings of that type so

1209
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,560
i'm just saying it's a little i think

1210
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,319
it's a little more difficult the more

1211
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,000
reports that are out there on the other

1212
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:42,079
hand there's more to compare to and you

1213
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,119
can get

1214
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,839
kind of a sense of

1215
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,440
what is

1216
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,760
in keeping in general keeping not that

1217
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,119
they'll have to be identical but in

1218
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,280
general keeping with most of the other

1219
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,599
things and that is where having done

1220
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,920
this for 25 years

1221
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,319
um it it gives me a little bit of an

1222
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,079
advantage because

1223
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,760
you know there are just certain certain

1224
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,119
tones of voice

1225
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:06,720
certain um

1226
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,520
style phrasing certain attitudes that

1227
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,040
are taken by the people who are writing

1228
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,920
that make me just stop and go hmm

1229
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,000
you know and i i have gone so far as to

1230
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,920
ask people outright if they're lying to

1231
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,720
me

1232
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,200
i had one small group of young guys who

1233
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,680
claimed they had seen two beasts on bray

1234
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,800
road

1235
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,640
and i asked i asked them each set

1236
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,839
separately

1237
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,599
and they both

1238
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,119
are all there were actually three of

1239
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,680
them they all said no they were telling

1240
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,960
the truth but i wasn't terribly

1241
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,400
convinced that it turned out that they

1242
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,119
were making it up you know so it it does

1243
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,839
happen i also i'm helped a bit by the

1244
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:43,839
fact that before i started writing the

1245
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,800
books

1246
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,400
i still had my

1247
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,920
day job at the newspaper interviewing

1248
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,240
one to three people a week for 10 years

1249
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,319
you know that adds up to a lot of people

1250
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,400
and when you talk to that many people

1251
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,400
you get a sense for when

1252
00:46:01,270 --> 00:46:00,319
someone's just giving it to you from the

1253
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,280
heart

1254
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,000
or they're being calculating or they're

1255
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,040
outright just kind of fabricating right

1256
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,760
the simple things like eye contact

1257
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,400
uh nervousness uh looking to the left i

1258
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,040
mean there are signs you know having

1259
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,400
interviewed

1260
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,480
several thousand people myself over the

1261
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,680
years

1262
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:21,280
you tend to get a real good i think

1263
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,640
sixth sense about

1264
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,599
about someone with how earnest they are

1265
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,200
i look for certain

1266
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,800
phraseology

1267
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,680
um

1268
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,359
certain

1269
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,599
there's key things that i i kind of i

1270
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,000
kind of zero in on that sort of pushes

1271
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,319
pushes positive buttons just as there's

1272
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,400
certain things that push uh throw up red

1273
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,800
flags and put negative push negative

1274
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,240
buttons as well

1275
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,560
but i think it's pretty easy once you've

1276
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,480
been out in the field

1277
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:51,200
as long as someone like yourself

1278
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:52,240
to

1279
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,000
accurately whether a person is being

1280
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,599
upfront and honest

1281
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,880
whether they're hiding something or

1282
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,760
whether they're just totally

1283
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,160
confabulating something

1284
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,119
i was just going to say um

1285
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:07,200
no no i'm starting to forget what i was

1286
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,480
going to say please please go ahead

1287
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,920
it'll come back to me we're here to

1288
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,640
confuse matters that's the thing but

1289
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,319
in vetting people who are making up

1290
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,200
stories do you think the

1291
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,520
fact that we have so many reality shows

1292
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,599
on tv and maybe people want their 15

1293
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,680
minutes they're more inclined to make up

1294
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:24,880
stuff yeah

1295
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,319
yes i do and i i think that again has

1296
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,839
has been um

1297
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,720
kind of

1298
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,920
one of the unfortunate side effects of

1299
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,880
the explosion of um reports because they

1300
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,680
do show up on so many of these

1301
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,319
quote unquote reality shows but there is

1302
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,280
another avenue too that having been a

1303
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,880
newspaper reporter i know how to look

1304
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:48,800
things up and check people out

1305
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,160
online and other places you know and so

1306
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,319
um when a person gives me a story i will

1307
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,240
go and check out the details of the

1308
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,520
location

1309
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,359
you know to see if they know what

1310
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,640
they're talking about or they were just

1311
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,119
making up street names or whatever if

1312
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:04,880
they mentioned other places or other

1313
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,599
people i will be able to do that there

1314
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:08,880
was one

1315
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:15,670
monsters among us

1316
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,560
that

1317
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,720
you gentlemen may remember and maybe

1318
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,160
planning to bring this up later but

1319
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,040
where it an incident happened in a

1320
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,720
church

1321
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,079
and

1322
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,559
i was able to actually track down the

1323
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:30,160
minister it was

1324
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,839
several years ago i was able to track

1325
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,079
down the minister of that church at the

1326
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,599
time he wouldn't speak to me which was

1327
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,839
sort of telling in itself but you know i

1328
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,359
was able to locate the church and the

1329
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,680
minister and all these other things that

1330
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,440
they had said

1331
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:45,760
as part of their story and

1332
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,800
and they also signed a statement for the

1333
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,960
publisher with their names and contact

1334
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,280
information and the statement that

1335
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,119
to their best of their knowledge all

1336
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,559
statements of theirs were true and

1337
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,400
factual

1338
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,160
for the sake of our listeners who aren't

1339
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,800
familiar with that particular account

1340
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,200
of this transformation for lack of a

1341
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,119
better word why don't you give us why

1342
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,960
don't you give us a uh

1343
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,920
um

1344
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:11,839
sort of an overview of

1345
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,559
the claim and and then continue with

1346
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,760
some of the supplemental stuff that you

1347
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,839
were able to dig up

1348
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,800
yeah

1349
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,040
this was one where um it it was a

1350
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,960
middle-aged couple that came to me just

1351
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,960
salt of the earth people feel like you

1352
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,920
know your next-door neighbors like

1353
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,520
you've known them all your life

1354
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,119
and i met with them several times in

1355
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,040
person i had my husband come along too

1356
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,880
because of the nature of their claim

1357
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,400
which was that they were sitting in the

1358
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,640
front row in church

1359
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,480
some years ago in

1360
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,839
illinois

1361
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,079
and a woman who was also sitting in the

1362
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,480
front row they had sort of a u-shaped

1363
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,319
pew arrangement so they

1364
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,319
were not shoulder to shoulder exactly

1365
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,319
but they were looking more directly at

1366
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,599
her

1367
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,720
turned into a full-fledged old-fashioned

1368
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,280
style werewolf right in front of their

1369
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,839
eyes and

1370
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:02,079
it was an average sized woman but they

1371
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,440
said she

1372
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,079
it was almost an instantaneous

1373
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,240
transition it wasn't like the you know

1374
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,559
the snout popping out and the hair

1375
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,920
coming and

1376
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,400
the fur covering the body and the fangs

1377
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,000
and everything popping they said she

1378
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:17,680
kind of twisted her neck once she let

1379
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,119
out this horrendous horrendous

1380
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,440
otherworldly scream

1381
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,119
and then the next thing they knew they

1382
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,800
were staring at

1383
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,040
a wolf the figure of a wolf with covered

1384
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,760
with fur he drew a very great witness

1385
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:33,040
sketch of it

1386
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,839
and

1387
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,160
the odd thing was that it didn't have

1388
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,920
paws it had hoofs

1389
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,680
it was a wolf with hoops

1390
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,400
so

1391
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,640
this was this was the thing and i mean

1392
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,640
something like that you really have i

1393
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:46,559
felt i really needed to check out and i

1394
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,599
did i

1395
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,079
they told me where the church was

1396
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,920
but that it had been demolished and i

1397
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,079
went and it was able to find that it was

1398
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,000
indeed there and there were records

1399
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,280
um i as i said i spoke to the minister

1400
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,040
there were other details of the story

1401
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,640
that i was able to

1402
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,559
find and confirm

1403
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,319
and then also the fact that they both

1404
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,319
signed this

1405
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:10,240
document which is sort of intimidating

1406
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,440
well you know it's for a very large

1407
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,920
publisher it's part of their legal

1408
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,359
apparatus

1409
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:17,119
and they didn't even blink about signing

1410
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:18,319
it so

1411
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:19,280
i

1412
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,440
how soon after the

1413
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,680
alleged event did they uh decide to

1414
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,640
demolish the church

1415
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,640
yeah i don't think it was very long

1416
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,240
probably an hour

1417
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,920
yeah you know we're gonna get rid of

1418
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this now folks it's just too late it's

1419
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going to be too late if we don't do our

1420
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1472
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,230
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1473
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,920
standard of paranormal radio

1474
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:15,200
and now

1475
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,309
i think when chris does that voice he's

1476
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,640
in the process of turning

1477
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,559
yeah

1478
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,480
there you go

1479
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,240
or i think of the song werewolves of

1480
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,760
london from

1481
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,280
warren's evonne

1482
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,040
i always thought when he wrote that song

1483
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,960
he was blasted because it has that kind

1484
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,319
of lyric

1485
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,040
yeah but i love it i love that song i i

1486
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,200
think i found out where matt gronin came

1487
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,960
up with the idea of homer simpson going

1488
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,920
doe

1489
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:50,480
because at the end of the song he's

1490
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,920
he lets out he lets out a dome

1491
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,599
which sounds just like homer simpson but

1492
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,440
years before of course

1493
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,280
you're totally right

1494
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,119
i'll tell you a little interesting aside

1495
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,200
10 years ago i bought a new car it was a

1496
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,559
toyota corolla a red toyota corolla now

1497
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:08,319
i have a blue toyota corolla because

1498
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,680
that red one was completely totaled

1499
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,079
three months after i got it while that

1500
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,319
song was playing on the radio somebody

1501
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,480
came over a hill super fast as i was

1502
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,280
making a left turn and just

1503
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,200
t-boned me basically

1504
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,760
oh boy you're lucky i am and that was

1505
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,520
the song werewolves of london was

1506
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:29,280
playing on the radio

1507
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,119
at that moment you'll never want to hear

1508
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,040
that song again but you know it didn't

1509
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:35,520
take no i still love this song you know

1510
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,240
and

1511
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,160
um i i still wish i could have gotten a

1512
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,839
red car but i needed one right away and

1513
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,839
they gave me the blue one instead

1514
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,640
so um the car i could have i could

1515
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,559
change that but song wouldn't change a

1516
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,440
word ever well red cars get more tickets

1517
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,520
than any other color car you know i've

1518
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:53,119
heard that but they're also safer

1519
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,480
because you can see them coming on the

1520
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:56,480
road more easily and it was a red car

1521
00:56:03,589 --> 00:55:59,520
that hit my red car

1522
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,599
seriously i've only had one red car in

1523
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,960
my life it was the worst car i ever had

1524
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:09,440
this was a pontiac tempest like the late

1525
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,319
60s early 70s

1526
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,720
it was equipped to the nines it was red

1527
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,480
with a black interior

1528
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,000
and within a thousand miles the

1529
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,319
transmission started leaking oil and had

1530
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,160
to be rebuilt

1531
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,920
and but the thing is here

1532
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,880
the license plate you ready for this

1533
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,960
i've done this since then and

1534
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,040
everybody told me not to do it chris

1535
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,880
brad steiger everything

1536
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,960
my license plate for this pontiac

1537
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:36,559
tempest

1538
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,990
did you get a lot of weird looks or did

1539
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,920
the mib start following you

1540
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,680
well you know i think it was a situation

1541
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,799
where most people didn't know yeah we're

1542
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,040
going back a few uh decades

1543
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,040
oh you're right it wasn't a big as well

1544
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:57,040
known unless you were a great barker fan

1545
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,559
or maybe read some keel or something uh

1546
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,200
yeah oh that's cool ballet mentioned him

1547
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,680
i think in messengers of deception in 79

1548
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:08,240
but still that's you know that's where

1549
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,760
we're you know as far back as gene's

1550
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:11,599
going with this so what year tempest was

1551
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,280
it it was 69 or 70. okay so okay it's

1552
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,440
not that it was a leased car i got on a

1553
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,880
two-year lease

1554
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,559
and i worked out something with the

1555
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,880
dealer after a year because the thing

1556
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,079
was just

1557
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,920
defective it just had problems the

1558
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,000
transmission was the least of it it was

1559
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:29,839
also a rattle trap

1560
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,200
the pontiac right pontiac oh terrible

1561
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,280
cars pontiacs and buick stay away be

1562
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,880
afraid

1563
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,119
well let's get let's get back to uh we

1564
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,760
were talking about this explosion of

1565
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,359
crypto shows that

1566
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,119
none of which i've ever seen by the way

1567
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,559
i i just i've

1568
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,640
maybe watched five minutes of one and

1569
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,559
then five minutes of another

1570
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:53,119
and to me they're so hokey they're so

1571
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,559
unbelievable

1572
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,400
it's just i don't know i don't know i

1573
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,760
don't see the attraction they're always

1574
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,200
hunting something but they never find

1575
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,280
anything of course yeah

1576
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,559
where do you come down on these shows

1577
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,240
i'm sure you've had some offers to do

1578
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,559
shows and and and you've probably

1579
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,319
appeared on you know as a talking head

1580
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,520
on many but

1581
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,599
these reality shows to me are

1582
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,440
do you think that they're helping

1583
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,520
um this whole field or do you think

1584
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,319
they're just generating uh interest that

1585
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,640
creates these uh fanciful stories that

1586
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,400
just waste your time

1587
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,720
well i i think that second thought of

1588
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,720
creating the fanciful stories

1589
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,960
definitely has grown out of a lot of

1590
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,799
those shows and and for sure there are

1591
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,359
people who just really want to be on tv

1592
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,280
and and would make something up you know

1593
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,119
if they if they thought they could

1594
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,520
yeah it's sort of a mixed blessing on

1595
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,440
one hand they've drawn a lot of

1596
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,280
attention to the field

1597
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,200
on the other hand the attention hasn't

1598
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:47,440
always been the kind that we would want

1599
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:48,799
to have

1600
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,839
and um it can get downright silly and

1601
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,440
i've probably i don't know how many i've

1602
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,160
done it started almost immediately 25

1603
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,720
years ago inside edition came out and

1604
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:01,040
the first sci-fi show

1605
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,400
there were all kinds of different shows

1606
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,240
so i've lost track i really don't know

1607
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,760
how many i've been on it's been it's

1608
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:06,880
been a lot

1609
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,000
and some some of the best ones monster

1610
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,839
quest you know i think was a very

1611
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,960
classic

1612
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:14,000
class

1613
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:15,760
i agree that's one of those

1614
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,799
they never caught the animal either yeah

1615
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,960
yeah and i mean i was on uh two full

1616
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,040
episodes of monster quest one the first

1617
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,119
one um american werewolf was based on my

1618
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,559
book hunting the american werewolf and i

1619
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:28,559
even had production credit because i did

1620
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,280
do

1621
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,119
field production for them

1622
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:33,520
and even though they didn't catch the

1623
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,720
monster

1624
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:37,280
they tried such an interesting variety

1625
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:38,400
of ways

1626
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,760
and um were really i think they're smart

1627
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,240
about finding the best equipment and if

1628
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,319
you could do it with technic technical

1629
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,480
means they should have been able to you

1630
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,240
know which i think is also an important

1631
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,240
conclusion to come to that you know

1632
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,240
maybe we're not going to find these

1633
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,160
answers with just

1634
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,240
technology you know maybe maybe it's

1635
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,920
going to take something else and another

1636
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,440
another approach

1637
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,520
sean hannity's america was another one

1638
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,720
that

1639
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:06,559
they came out they had no technical

1640
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:08,000
equipment they just

1641
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,599
did a basic very quick very truthful

1642
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,280
assessment of several

1643
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,079
episodes or several incidents excuse me

1644
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:18,079
and i thought they did a great job it's

1645
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,599
another one of my favorites you know you

1646
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,200
don't need all the silly bells and

1647
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:23,440
whistles there was another one

1648
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,119
probably my least favorite was um

1649
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:30,160
james uh you know i'm a real i'm a

1650
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,440
trekkie and i can't why can't i think of

1651
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:33,359
his last name um

1652
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:36,880
james duhan was scottie no no i'm

1653
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,280
thinking of james t kirk oh james

1654
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,520
tiberius kirk yes william shatner

1655
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,520
william shatner it was shatner's

1656
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:45,760
shatner's weird or what well yeah those

1657
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,799
guys they're

1658
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:48,079
too

1659
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,520
and that was yeah it was just so

1660
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:51,680
concocted they had me standing on top of

1661
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,920
a hill in front of a white teepee i

1662
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,079
don't know why and inside the teepee

1663
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,720
behind me you could see there was a

1664
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:01,440
bed spread with a deer hide spread

1665
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,640
across it

1666
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,920
and

1667
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:05,040
they had

1668
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,720
two other people who were actors

1669
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:08,720
pretending to be researchers that they

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had

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pretty much

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quoting almost verbatim out of my uh one

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01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,880
of my books as to

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um

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giving what they thought were leading

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theories on these creatures and then

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they asked me the question what

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um how would i explain what most native

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americans thought and what and i

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explained

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some conversations that i had with some

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native americans and then when they ran

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it they put those two guys in as the

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leading

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researchers

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and then they had mace and

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if if i'm totally ignorant by the way

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and you're one of those people and you

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really were a leading researcher and i

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just didn't know you forgive me because

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i don't know everybody

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but

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that i had put forth in my book anyway

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so then for me they said and linda

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01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:54,079
godfrey believes and then they cut right

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01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,119
into

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making my making it seem like i only

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believed exactly what the native

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01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:00,720
americans believe which i kind of do in

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a way but

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01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,720
um

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01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,400
i wouldn't say it's the only valid

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01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,880
theory that there is no

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01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,319
well that's that's hollywood for you i

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01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,319
mean i've i've had

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um i think actually weird or what was a

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toronto production canadian um i did one

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01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,680
of their their episodes as well and they

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01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,680
actually did a good job with me i was

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fortunate

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um

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01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,559
but

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some of the other shows i've heard have

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just been awful

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01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,760
and i do uh want to go back and and kind

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01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:28,880
of re

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state my comment about the monster shows

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01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,280
monster quest i thought i've seen

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01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,280
several episodes of that and i was

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i was

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i mean they really you could tell they

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were really trying to do

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a good proper job without putting uh

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undue spin and and stuff i saw the one

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01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,280
on the ropin which i i found very

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01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,520
fascinating the uh the flying alleged

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flying reptile in in uh

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01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:54,319
new guinea uh and i found that very

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01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,520
compelling but

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uh some of these shows are just

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i mean no frank can quote you they'll

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they'll have you actually say the exact

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opposite of what you did which happened

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01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:05,359
to me in two statements that i

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01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,000
with horror saw myself making on the

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conspiracy theory the jesse ventura show

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01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,400
where they actually had me say the exact

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opposite of what i actually did say

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01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,960
and um and

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01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,720
i would say well i can't confirm that

1741
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,400
there were two deaths on the skinwalker

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01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,839
ranch and they had me saying i can

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01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:23,839
confirm there's two there were two

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01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:26,079
deaths on the skidmarker ridge i want to

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ask about that chris in our next segment

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01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:30,640
just how they managed to do that other

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than

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pulling words

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and phrases out of someone's statement

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or just taking words and swapping them

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the word swappers that's a new book the

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word swappers will attack you tomorrow

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right we'll patent that one too we've

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got linda godfrey who's writing down all

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so chris how did they take cant into can

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without physically

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01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:30,000
altering the word or substituting a word

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01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,279
well when you have an hour and a half

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01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,199
interview you can pick and choose words

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01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,239
everywhere and the secret is to look at

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01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,719
the sections where they have a b-roll or

1875
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,120
some sort of a cut-two

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01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:42,880
image going with with you doing the

1877
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:45,120
voice-over then they can they can

1878
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:46,239
manipulate

1879
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,120
it's obviously much more difficult if

1880
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,880
they're showing you saying the words

1881
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:54,080
then then

1882
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,799
it's

1883
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,799
obviously much more difficult for you

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01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,159
don't want to look like a what's-up

1885
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,719
tiger lily or some you know badly dubbed

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01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:02,799
japanese sci-fi movie or something the

1887
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:04,000
other one i

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you know the other thing that they said

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was that

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01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,159
yeah again i said you know i think

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aliens is the least likely answer and

1892
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,719
they had me saying aliens are the most

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likely answer or something like that

1894
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,400
it's been a while oh yeah

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01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,359
i got very very upset and of course that

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that made certain uh individuals within

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the intelligence community and a

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famous la reporter and a couple of

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physicists one attached to

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a behavioral modification expert for an

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alphabet agency i mean i got

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i had to do a couple of weeks of uh

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01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:40,159
serious damage control over that and i

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did mention it on the show here i was

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very very

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and of course they uh as a result of the

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way the series was treated by the

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network and uh of course uh rory

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bigelow's

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possible influence behind the scenes

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they uh canceled their most popular show

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in the history of the of the network

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wow

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you know so it does happen so be very

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careful yeah oh yeah well and here's

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01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,719
another egregious example i was on a

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show talking about

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the beast of ray road and things that

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happened on bray road

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and they took a clip from

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a colleague of mine a good a good friend

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who was talking about a completely

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different

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and area and they had him they cut to

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him and he said yeah people were running

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screaming out of the woods

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01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,840
well people are never running screaming

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out of the woods on bray road it just

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doesn't work like that it's a very

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different place

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and it was a completely different

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reference you know and and yet if you

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01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,400
were watching it you'd say wow on bray

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01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:40,080
road there's people coming screaming out

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01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,159
of the woods yeah

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so anything to sensationalize a

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particular episode to make it uh even

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more compelling i mean they they really

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01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:49,840
in it's i must say linda it's been

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01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,199
getting worse

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early on live did inside edition

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as you did in the 90s early 90s

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i think there was a little bit more

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journalistic integrity

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back in the 90s the show sightings i

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felt uh

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really tried to do a good job with their

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coverage a lot of these shows because

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there's so much competition now i think

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they're trying to one-up each other and

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like you said i mean it it does increase

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the amount of interest out there it

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makes more people aware of the subject

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matter

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it creates a potential for for

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more people looking more people being

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potential witnesses but it also

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01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,360
it creates like you said this um

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01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,520
you know this andy war holly and i need

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my 15 minutes of fame complex that a lot

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of people have in this celebrity

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obsessed culture that we uh find

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ourselves wallowing in

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um you know how many butt

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implants have have been

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uh

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you know done by plastic surgeons since

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uh kim kardashian i mean you could you

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01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,520
could go with many examples

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of how the

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the treatment of of culture by the media

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and the creation of

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of stereotypes and and uh glorifying

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body parts and other things uh has has a

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01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,960
real impact on people that may be

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01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:06,560
susceptible to that kind of uh

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01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,360
conditioning there's no doubt about it

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and there's also money people are the

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01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,040
well the mistaken perception of money

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people who don't really know what the

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01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,560
going

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01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,560
salaries are for

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01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,719
regular cast members on a lot of those

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01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,800
reality shows which is not anywhere near

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01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,640
what you might think unless you've got a

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01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:28,719
huge golden smash hit for a long time or

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01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,600
something

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01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,080
but i mean it's barely a working year's

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01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,040
salary and you know you'd have to leave

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all your insurance and that kind of

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01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,719
thing in most cases

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and the same with the books

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01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,480
you know people think well you i i can

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write a book about kraken or something

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01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:46,880
and get a million dollars i hear that

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01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,600
all the time people expect that if they

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01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,679
can just you know drum up some material

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01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,600
somewhere and put together a book and

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01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,880
you know slap it together on the

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01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,840
internet

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01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,600
that they're going to get rich and they

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01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:59,840
look and see i've written 16 17 books

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01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:00,640
and

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01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,679
when i tell them at best i've replaced

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01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,560
my

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01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,880
one of the two incomes one was

2007
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,840
well yeah the advance is not you know

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01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,199
they're thinking oh you're getting like

2009
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:15,360
you know a million dollars ahead of time

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01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,480
and it's not

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01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,560
what i i'm not complaining because i

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01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,320
went into this with eyes wide open that

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01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,760
it was probably not going to be a

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01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,440
lucrative field given that it's a

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limited genre

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01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:27,280
in terms of of readers

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01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,560
and it's i probably replaced my income

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01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,719
teaching art and library two days a week

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01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:34,640
at a tiny little

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01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,360
school which is what i did for a while

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01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,880
after i quit the newspaper to write

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01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,880
books because i still you know needed

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01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,040
the extra income to to fill the family

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01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,880
coffers although my husband has always

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01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,800
been our main support and i would not

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01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,719
have been able to do what i've done

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01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,880
without him being a major breadwinner i

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01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:52,640
have to say that you know i'm not

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01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,800
by any means anywhere close to being

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01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,280
able to support myself let alone you

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01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,120
know a household yeah and that's

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01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,120
unfortunate i mean back

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01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:02,960
when these subjects were just starting

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01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,360
to gain some traction in the early to

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01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:07,840
mid 90s there were some large advances

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01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,520
being uh thrown about stephen greer

2037
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,920
i think got 60 000 for a book i don't

2038
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,840
think he ever to deliver to harper

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01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,360
collins uh

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01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,600
there were some examples of

2041
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:21,679
that kind of uh you know

2042
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,320
old dynamic of editors going out on a

2043
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,400
limb with projects

2044
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,880
but that's totally changed now yes yeah

2045
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,640
i've never gotten anywhere near that for

2046
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,239
an advantage yes amazon is doing to the

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01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,239
publishing business what itunes uh has

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01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:36,560
done to the music business and

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01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:39,679
spotify and and uh well

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01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:42,080
napster you know 10 years ago you know

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01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,760
having said that i mean they're

2052
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:45,280
obviously you have a passion for the

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01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,320
subject matter i do yes and that's

2054
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,560
that's enough of a reward to get to get

2055
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:52,400
it out of your system to get this

2056
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:54,239
information out there and i i really can

2057
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,520
identify with that because that's the

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01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,040
only thing that

2059
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:00,000
that that and just badgering is the only

2060
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:01,360
thing that gets me to really write and

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01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,880
produce

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01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:04,480
it's a little bit easier for you i can

2063
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,440
tell

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01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,280
well you know the writing is always hard

2065
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,520
work i mean i and i have to trick myself

2066
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,520
into it sometimes i'll say well

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01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,600
you know i have to write a paragraph

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01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,520
before i go to bed and it can be really

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01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,560
bad i don't care and then usually when i

2070
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,320
ease my pressure that way even just for

2071
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,640
a little temporary thing it'll start

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01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,080
getting a little easier and i'll end up

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01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,920
with five pages before i go to that kind

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01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,280
of thing i play little head tricks with

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01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:29,920
myself all the time writing any

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01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:32,400
any uh author will tell you um you know

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research is fun writing is work

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yeah

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01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,199
well i don't know i'll tell you

2080
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,840
something i used to write those computer

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01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,920
books you know the complete idiot's

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01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:44,000
guide to using an imac or something like

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that

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and

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01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:47,760
you had to produce a book of three to

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01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,430
when you write a book on the paranormal

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01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,199
you can spend years

2088
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,840
yes six or seven weeks

2089
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,600
and i had a regimen every day i had to

2090
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,760
do this and one day

2091
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:05,120
i woke up

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01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:06,480
and i was just about to start a new

2093
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,440
project

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01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:09,679
and i could not put a single word to

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01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,719
paper this is after 30 books like this

2096
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,159
and i wasn't making a lot of money

2097
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:16,239
although some of my early books earned

2098
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,600
out which means

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01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,520
it earns more than the advance and you

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start getting money

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i remember one time i think i got a

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royalty one year of one book of like

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sixty thousand dollars and i thought you

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know what if i could do a couple of

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these a year

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you know i'd be in really good shape

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couple of those a year hey

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what a difference man we got linda

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godfrey and we got chris o'brien and we

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got gene steinberg and you're in the

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so if you think after writing all those

2211
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,640
books i'm broke well it's because you

2212
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:12,960
never get enough it's like

2213
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,040
an endless train and you have to

2214
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,960
sometimes jump off the train and this

2215
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,719
was like in the early arts you know

2216
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,199
2005-2006

2217
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:23,280
just before the power cast started

2218
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,960
and i wasn't getting as many assignments

2219
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,120
because there weren't as many and i woke

2220
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,800
up and said i've got to find something

2221
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,640
else to do because i can't handle that

2222
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,560
anymore you know i don't know if i

2223
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,880
burned out i just think it was this kind

2224
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:36,320
of stuff where

2225
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:39,679
i'm doing the same work that requires no

2226
01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:46,790
yeah although some of those um how-to

2227
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,640
books for dummies and whatever are kind

2228
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,159
of humorous and funny

2229
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,080
i mean i've enjoyed some of them i

2230
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,320
require them because i'm really bad on

2231
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,800
my own at those things well one of my

2232
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,480
friends who comes on another radio show

2233
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,400
of mine the tech night owl live is bob

2234
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,000
levitis

2235
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:04,800
and he writes a lot of the mac for dummy

2236
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,600
type titles you know like the ipad for

2237
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,080
dummies and all this stuff he writes

2238
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,400
with a guy named ed begg from usa today

2239
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,080
the tech guy over there

2240
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:16,800
so i still keep up with what these guys

2241
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:17,760
are doing

2242
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,480
but there aren't too many of them

2243
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,320
we gotta really talk about the monsters

2244
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:24,000
though because people will criticize us

2245
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:25,280
why are you talking about book writing

2246
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,679
anyway we're talking about a book about

2247
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,800
monsters

2248
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:30,159
of the

2249
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:32,800
monsters you chased to put this book

2250
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,760
together which one was the most

2251
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:37,679
frightening the one that maybe would

2252
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,760
keep you up at night because you had to

2253
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:41,920
have the lights on everything no night

2254
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,239
lights that wouldn't make it either

2255
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:47,040
yeah well you know that church werewolf

2256
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:47,920
was

2257
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,719
and the most startling encounters that

2258
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:55,040
i've i've ever come across you know just

2259
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:56,159
for the

2260
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:57,920
just you could not disbelieve the

2261
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:59,679
witnesses but there was i have another

2262
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,040
one in there

2263
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:03,120
most of them are about dog men or

2264
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:04,639
creatures like that but there are a few

2265
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:08,400
about bigfoot and it is one of the most

2266
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,159
i think gripping

2267
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:12,719
bigfooter sasquatch tales that that i've

2268
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:13,920
heard because

2269
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:16,159
it was a young man who

2270
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,520
i think

2271
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,280
he thought he was going to die he really

2272
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:21,280
did and

2273
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:23,040
i i don't know that i've ever

2274
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,719
interviewed anybody who had a better

2275
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:27,120
close-up look at a bigfoot that was

2276
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:28,800
about to slam

2277
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,320
you know a tv sized

2278
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,120
river rock at someone's head from about

2279
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,040
10 feet away as

2280
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:39,199
as this gentleman did and then get

2281
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,639
chased all the way back to the parking

2282
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,400
lot on a footpath

2283
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:44,719
and have such a close-up look at this

2284
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:46,639
thing that he was able to notice details

2285
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:48,320
that most people never get to see of the

2286
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,440
face and

2287
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,960
the the way that

2288
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,960
it had been swung across the river to

2289
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,199
get to him and its hair was wet and so

2290
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,280
parted across the side of its head he

2291
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,199
could actually see its ear and he said

2292
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:01,280
it was shaped mostly like a human ear

2293
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,560
but but kind of small and pointed on the

2294
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:06,719
tip not like a dog disappointed but more

2295
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,960
like spock you know

2296
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:11,600
or or an elf that kind of pointed but

2297
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,400
but not not big you know just just

2298
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,560
usually they're hidden under the fur

2299
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,480
the the rage that it displayed and it

2300
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,480
was doing this babbling neo language

2301
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:22,000
thing adam and

2302
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:24,320
there was another he had it had

2303
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,639
companions across the river that were

2304
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,639
whooping and shouting things and also

2305
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,679
making this

2306
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,679
babbling neo language

2307
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,600
where was this report filed

2308
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:35,440
i was just about to say because you

2309
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,320
won't believe it it was in chicago

2310
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:41,440
in the preserves along the um it does

2311
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,840
plains river barely a mile east of

2312
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:45,280
o'hare airport

2313
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:46,400
wow

2314
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:49,679
what'd he do to piss it off so bad

2315
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:50,560
well

2316
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:54,000
he surprised it i think he he had been

2317
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:55,600
he had been taking a bike ride and he

2318
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:58,560
sat down to enjoy the sunrise coming

2319
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,520
over the

2320
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,280
the river and

2321
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:03,199
when he did that he saw this thing and

2322
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,880
was observing it and then he realized

2323
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,440
he'd sat in a patch of ragweed and had

2324
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,880
to sneeze

2325
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:11,040
and just startling it was enough you

2326
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:13,040
know that startling it at such close

2327
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,639
range i believe

2328
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,280
was um you know what probably did it

2329
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:19,679
and he uh changed places and it was

2330
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,040
looking for him it found him and then

2331
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:23,440
started chasing him oh it was

2332
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,159
and i i don't find bigfoots or sasquatch

2333
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,480
as terrifying as the dog men say

2334
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:30,480
or you know some of the other like the

2335
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,520
mothman they seem a lot more friendly

2336
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,280
and they seem

2337
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,199
emphasis on the words seem

2338
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,040
friendly and and

2339
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,360
more easy going but i think there are a

2340
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,880
lot of encounters where people can tell

2341
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:44,480
you tell you when you surprise them or

2342
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:47,679
rile them up they can't i'm one of them

2343
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:50,400
my experience it was exactly that

2344
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:52,000
really and it was one of the most

2345
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:53,520
terrifying things i've ever experienced

2346
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,639
in my life

2347
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:56,159
oh do tell

2348
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,679
base of mount shasta we were trying to

2349
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:59,040
get up on the mountain we were the first

2350
01:26:01,910 --> 01:26:00,880
ones up at logan road the first week of

2351
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,920
april

2352
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,600
we had to dig through some snow banks to

2353
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,760
get up to the top of the road

2354
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:07,360
the first thing we noticed at the end of

2355
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,800
the road there was a cul-de-sac and

2356
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:10,880
right as you were in leaving the logging

2357
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:12,960
road and going into the turnaround area

2358
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:15,280
it was a stone wheel about two and a

2359
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:16,639
half feet tall

2360
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:17,920
that looked like something out of the

2361
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:20,880
comic bc with a hole in the middle and

2362
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:22,000
there was one of those orange

2363
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:23,440
construction streamers that had been

2364
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,360
tied around that and then had been

2365
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:27,520
stretched across the road and tied to a

2366
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:28,880
little sapling

2367
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,360
which we thought was pretty strange

2368
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,120
we wanted to get up and actually go up

2369
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,280
on the mountain so we hiked about an

2370
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:37,040
eighth of a mile or so maybe a little

2371
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:38,080
further

2372
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,239
through the um you know

2373
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,000
the edge of tree line basically we were

2374
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:44,560
probably up around 11 000 feet

2375
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,480
and uh big you know huge

2376
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:49,280
furs and cedars and we broke through

2377
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,800
to where we thought you know we would

2378
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:53,120
then be able to just walk the the few

2379
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,480
hundred yards and then actually start

2380
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,960
going up uh because it's very delineated

2381
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:59,040
where the volcano actually starts going

2382
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,159
up

2383
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:02,320
the whole base on that southwestern side

2384
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,159
was um ringed by a huge uh

2385
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,960
extremely dense hedge of i'm not sure if

2386
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:10,560
it was madrona or mountain huckleberry

2387
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,360
but an extremely ancient tough

2388
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:15,679
little tiny twig you couldn't break

2389
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,120
and you couldn't even put you it was so

2390
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,880
dense you couldn't even put your your

2391
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,880
arm into the hedge and it was you know

2392
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,719
six seven feet tall

2393
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:24,639
uh in places a little shorter in other

2394
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:27,199
places and so we were kind of wandering

2395
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,480
around wondering how we're gonna get

2396
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,000
through this thing we're trying to see

2397
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,120
if there was an edge and and we smelled

2398
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,280
this horrendous

2399
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,520
human

2400
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,280
musky skunky

2401
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,639
nasty smell

2402
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,880
of course

2403
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,080
and

2404
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:46,480
right after i said that

2405
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,760
something

2406
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,920
not more than 100 feet

2407
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,000
it was really hard to tell now you know

2408
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,239
this is back in 79

2409
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,880
but something let out

2410
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,440
the loudest sound i've ever heard a

2411
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,920
physical living thing make

2412
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,679
i've described it as sounding like a

2413
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:06,560
cross between an elephant a mountain or

2414
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:10,080
a a lion and a steam engine an angry

2415
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,920
steam train

2416
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,679
and

2417
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:15,280
first we heard kind of a questioning

2418
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,199
sound then we heard the scream like and

2419
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,040
was obvious like who the hell are you

2420
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,960
you know and it started coming through

2421
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,040
the hedge at us

2422
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:25,920
obviously bipedal crash crash crash

2423
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:27,199
crash

2424
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:28,560
and i don't know what happened the next

2425
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:29,840
20 minutes the next thing i know we're

2426
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:31,280
halfway down the mountain my buddy's

2427
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,199
almost uh skidding off the the dirt road

2428
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:35,280
off of you know hundreds of foot cliff

2429
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:36,080
and

2430
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,760
was one of the most terrifying things

2431
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,360
i've ever experienced

2432
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,040
amazing actually what do you think

2433
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:46,000
happened during those 20 20 minutes

2434
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:47,520
during that time or

2435
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:50,000
usually i either i blacked out just from

2436
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,600
sheer terror or there's some missing

2437
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:53,280
time or something there

2438
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:54,400
i don't know

2439
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,920
he doesn't know either to this day we

2440
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:57,760
still we still just scratch our heads

2441
01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:59,920
when we think about it

2442
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,159
he he remembers he remembers actually

2443
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,080
getting into the van and taken off i

2444
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,679
don't even remember that

2445
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,480
all i remember is

2446
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:10,560
being all you know a good a good

2447
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:14,080
distance down the uh down the the road

2448
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,120
yikes

2449
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,760
yeah well you know you know if uh people

2450
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,600
talk about and this is something i tried

2451
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:21,920
to discuss at great length in in my

2452
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,000
my book too because i haven't seen too

2453
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,920
many lengthy treatments of it is

2454
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,679
something some people call it the oz

2455
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:29,840
factor some people will experience it as

2456
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:32,000
a different colored light or

2457
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,440
um a somewhat solid mist that stops all

2458
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:37,600
electronics and things like that and

2459
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,400
these

2460
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:41,199
states do often occur in conjunction

2461
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,639
with a signing of an unknown creature

2462
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:46,960
where your your mind is just sometimes

2463
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:49,280
there's missing time usually people

2464
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:51,520
describe it as being enveloped in this

2465
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,239
kind of wall of silence or

2466
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,880
a zone of fear at all the crickets you

2467
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,719
can't hear the crickets and the birds

2468
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,719
anymore it's all blotted out that kind

2469
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:02,400
of thing i've had i've had a few cases

2470
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:04,000
where people describe that

2471
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:07,520
just an unearthly eerie silence yeah um

2472
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,639
you know i

2473
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:11,280
to be honest with you i really don't i

2474
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:12,800
don't remember going down through the

2475
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,480
woods i don't remember getting in the

2476
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:16,560
van i don't remember taking off and

2477
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:19,120
doing the top switchbacks

2478
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:20,639
he remembers getting in the van and

2479
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:22,080
driving

2480
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:23,520
and uh

2481
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:25,199
i don't know it's just one of those one

2482
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,280
of those

2483
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:29,600
just weird events and it was one of the

2484
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break

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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encyclopedia in other books you're

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okay so it's monster lore all the time

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01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:22,320
on the power cast and i know we have a

2595
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:24,400
few questions from listeners chris maybe

2596
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:26,800
dig them up before we go on with linda

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godfrey and see what we can do and what

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01:35:33,110 --> 01:35:30,960
we can chase up

2599
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,120
okay here's a good one do you know of

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01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:35,760
any paranormal type reports

2601
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,760
that consist of someone witnessing

2602
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:40,400
someone else who was witness to

2603
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,560
or somehow experientially interacting

2604
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,719
with the paranormal without that primary

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01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:46,480
witness know that they're being

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01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:47,360
uh

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01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:53,600
like a secondary witness to an event

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01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,000
that can i guess confirm uh what the

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01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:57,679
primary witness is saying i i think

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01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,719
that's where he's going this is a

2611
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,719
question from jeff davis who's

2612
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:02,960
been long-time listener of the paraquest

2613
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,520
yeah um so like somebody would say well

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01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:08,480
um you know a bigfoot threw a rock at me

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01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:12,159
at first and first and north in you know

2616
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,040
downtown wakahuchi and the second person

2617
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:16,960
writes and says you know i saw a bigfoot

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01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:18,719
throwing a rock at this person on fourth

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01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:21,120
round first to north and downtown waka

2620
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:22,840
so okay

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01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:24,400
um

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01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:27,199
i have i haven't that i can think of i

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01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:28,320
mean there are plenty of times where

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01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,400
there's more than one witness

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01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,480
you know and especially like when there

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01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:34,080
are two people or three people driving

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01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:35,520
in a car at night

2628
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:37,679
that's fairly frequent where

2629
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,840
something will happen

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01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:40,960
and

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01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:44,400
it can be a really unusual sighting not

2632
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:46,080
not that there's anything usual about

2633
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:47,600
something running across the road on

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01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:49,760
hind legs when it shouldn't be doing

2635
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,040
that but

2636
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:53,280
for instance i had one story about

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01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:54,320
um

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01:37:02,629 --> 01:36:55,199
a

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01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,639
you know which is something i never

2640
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,159
encountered before and yet both the

2641
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:07,040
husband and the wife saw it and i talk

2642
01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:08,639
at some length in the book too about

2643
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,000
hallucinations the nature of

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01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,719
hallucinations and shared hallucinations

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01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,920
which

2646
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,000
aren't really supposed to exist because

2647
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,000
if you can have a shared hallucination

2648
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:20,800
then you're also arguing for uh which a

2649
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,920
lot of skeptics like to use as an answer

2650
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:25,840
you're also arguing for some form of

2651
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:29,119
telepathy which most skeptics will

2652
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:30,719
also deny

2653
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:33,040
so um

2654
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,600
you know it can get very confusing but i

2655
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,199
have not had

2656
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,199
unrelated

2657
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:42,000
people witnesses yeah witnessing

2658
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:43,760
something that is happening to someone

2659
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,719
else you know at the same moment

2660
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,639
yeah i would think in this particular

2661
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,119
realm of investigation and research

2662
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:53,760
that would be fairly infrequent if if

2663
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:54,639
ever

2664
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:56,800
because these events tend to happen in

2665
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:59,119
isolated areas to individuals

2666
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:59,920
uh

2667
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,280
who

2668
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:03,920
are by themselves or maybe with somebody

2669
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:07,280
else or possibly two people um

2670
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,800
even more than two or three people

2671
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:10,159
witnessing something i think in your

2672
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:13,280
realm is is fairly fairly rare

2673
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,960
whereas in ufo

2674
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:16,960
investigations i've had plenty of cases

2675
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,239
where i get a call from somebody that

2676
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:20,080
says you won't believe what just flew

2677
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:21,679
over my house and five minutes later

2678
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:22,960
you'll get somebody else who's you know

2679
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:24,400
a few miles down the road and say you

2680
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:25,840
won't believe what just flew over my

2681
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,719
house

2682
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,960
uh i had a number of those

2683
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,880
yeah it is different i think with the

2684
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,960
ufos um you know there are more

2685
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:34,880
sightings of them people are maybe more

2686
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:36,080
familiar with

2687
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:37,679
with uh maybe when something should be a

2688
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:40,880
ufo and i'm not sure there is loads to

2689
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:42,159
report them

2690
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:43,040
i do

2691
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:45,920
you have this other aspect of the um

2692
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,880
unreported incidents where i still feel

2693
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:50,960
that even with all of the explosions of

2694
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:53,520
shows there are still a huge majority

2695
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:56,560
that are never reported to anyone so

2696
01:39:02,070 --> 01:38:59,199
what are the odds that if you have two

2697
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:02,080
people one is the experience or one is

2698
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:02,800
the

2699
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:06,239
going to fall into that camp of people

2700
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,280
that yes we we would report it you know

2701
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,520
that greatly reduces your odds it could

2702
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:13,679
happen more frequently than we know but

2703
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:14,639
um

2704
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,119
unless they both report it

2705
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,040
going against the odds each of them

2706
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,360
right then we're not going to know yeah

2707
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,520
well the a good example would be the um

2708
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,199
the church case where

2709
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,600
the couple witnessed the transformation

2710
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:29,679
um in front of them

2711
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:30,719
do you know

2712
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:33,040
did they mention anybody else being able

2713
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:34,880
to see this was it something it was

2714
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:37,440
exclusively for just the two of them did

2715
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,159
anybody else in the congregation react

2716
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,080
yes and well maybe this would be an

2717
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,080
example i hadn't thought of that but

2718
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:46,400
um yeah the uh

2719
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,600
the the thing rose up just as the and

2720
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:51,600
the pastor happened to be right there

2721
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:54,719
and stuck his bible at it and and you

2722
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:57,119
know gave it sort of a command the

2723
01:40:02,229 --> 01:39:59,040
biblical style command

2724
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,239
which sort of stopped it in its tracks

2725
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:04,400
that sounds almost like the constantine

2726
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,679
tv show

2727
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:07,679
where john constantine

2728
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:09,440
this rumpled

2729
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,560
great britain type character he gets in

2730
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,159
there and he says some kind of

2731
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:17,040
incantation and the monster goes away

2732
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,480
yeah this well this wasn't an

2733
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:19,920
incantation and the monster didn't go

2734
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,199
away it just kind of stopped it

2735
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,679
momentarily it just said something like

2736
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,360
satan you have no authority here was i

2737
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:27,119
believe what what he said and because of

2738
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:28,960
the point in the church service there

2739
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:31,520
was a group of elders right up there at

2740
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,440
the same time and they tackled it took

2741
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:35,199
it down on a bench it turned back into

2742
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,960
the woman

2743
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,719
and then they

2744
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,400
carted her away there's there's still

2745
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:42,239
more to it than that but

2746
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,280
um

2747
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:45,520
other people they knew other people saw

2748
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:46,719
it but

2749
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:49,280
there was sort of this um

2750
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:51,280
it was it was a very small kind of

2751
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,480
conservative

2752
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:53,920
congregation

2753
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:56,639
that they didn't talk about things you

2754
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:58,880
know and the um the husband and wife

2755
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,320
said that

2756
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:02,159
they would kind of ask people and they'd

2757
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:03,920
say oh well did something happen

2758
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,760
something happened but i don't want to

2759
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,600
talk about it was was sort of the

2760
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,840
culture that was there

2761
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,760
and there there were lots of other

2762
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:13,040
things that happened there were

2763
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:15,040
following this there were poltergeist

2764
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:16,719
very scary poltergeist

2765
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,800
incidents within the church building

2766
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,719
itself and um

2767
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:22,400
other things happening the woman was

2768
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:24,239
taken somewhere

2769
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,119
um

2770
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:27,280
for werewolf rehab or what i don't know

2771
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:31,119
but they couldn't werewolf rehab

2772
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,480
i just made that up i just made that up

2773
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:36,880
shave that woman

2774
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:38,719
but but um

2775
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:40,639
you know and again everything it sounds

2776
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,600
like what they're doing at the

2777
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:44,159
republican convention where they're

2778
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:46,880
saying they should just string up

2779
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,639
hillary clinton string her up arrest her

2780
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,400
well i'm sure there'll be an equally

2781
01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:54,880
vociferous crowd at the next one too

2782
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:56,960
they all tend to do the same thing

2783
01:42:03,189 --> 01:41:59,199
but it you know it wasn't it wasn't even

2784
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,790
i can't talk about this you know and

2785
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,719
that's what the when i i talked to the

2786
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,719
minister he said we don't talk about

2787
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:09,920
things that happened in our private

2788
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:11,920
service

2789
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,280
and i hadn't even asked him anything

2790
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:15,280
really specific you know i just said i'd

2791
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:16,639
like to talk about something that

2792
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:17,679
happened

2793
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:20,239
um in your congregation back in such and

2794
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,440
such a place

2795
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:23,920
and he just closed up like a you know

2796
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,440
stone fortress and that was that

2797
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,119
well then it could have been you know

2798
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:31,520
someone that just had a really

2799
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,840
bad morning maybe their husband really

2800
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:35,280
got him

2801
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:36,800
you know

2802
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,639
angry about something about the family

2803
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:40,800
dog maybe

2804
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,719
you just never know i mean you know in

2805
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:44,800
some of this stuff too um

2806
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:47,920
it just smacks of um

2807
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:49,760
the shape-shifting aspect of it really

2808
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,000
fascinates me um right right because

2809
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,080
it's much more like a shape-shifter you

2810
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:56,719
know like like a navajo shape-shifter or

2811
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:01,199
um a druid type transformation then

2812
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,400
and

2813
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,199
you know jack nicholson lon chaney

2814
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,920
hollywood type corpuscle for corpuscle

2815
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:10,239
physical change it's very very different

2816
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:11,600
yeah

2817
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:15,199
subject and

2818
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,800
having a real fascination for the

2819
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:19,440
trickster archetype i was very amazed to

2820
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:20,400
find that

2821
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:23,360
that almost every one of these

2822
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,920
trickster types around the world all can

2823
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:27,760
shape-shift

2824
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,239
which i found the commonalities

2825
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:32,239
very interesting well i think of

2826
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,119
shape-shifting the tv show true blood

2827
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:37,199
where someone was going to become

2828
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:38,880
a wolf either because they're a

2829
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:41,280
shapeshifter or a werewolf they wouldn't

2830
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,760
become like the hollywood version the

2831
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,360
original hollywood version of a wolf

2832
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:46,800
where was a guy

2833
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:47,600
with

2834
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:49,920
grisly face and hair and

2835
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,400
and claws and everything it was a real

2836
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:54,080
wolf

2837
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:55,840
yeah and that's more what they said this

2838
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:56,719
was

2839
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:58,880
and that when it went away

2840
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,880
um it was just instantaneous the fur was

2841
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,800
gone she was back her clothing was all

2842
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:04,239
intact you know it wasn't like she had

2843
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:06,000
to swell up and rip out of her clothing

2844
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:08,080
or anything it was just more like

2845
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:10,400
something that came over her

2846
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:11,199
and

2847
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,080
when it was done it was gone

2848
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,880
she was back as she was yeah it sounds

2849
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:20,320
like she definitely didn't like the

2850
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:22,159
sermon

2851
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:25,520
well yeah i i it evidently clashed with

2852
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,239
with uh something inside her

2853
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:30,080
yeah that's

2854
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,440
okay well here's another another

2855
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:33,440
question from jeff davis paranormal

2856
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,719
adept

2857
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:36,400
who's uh

2858
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:39,520
been a member of the paracast now for

2859
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:42,000
four years and one month in one day

2860
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,520
check that out

2861
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:45,040
and remember we're doing this show a

2862
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:46,800
couple of days before it's broadcast so

2863
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,920
now it's one month five days how's that

2864
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:51,679
okay do you think that any of the

2865
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,080
individual paranormal imagery that the

2866
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:56,159
reporting witnesses convey

2867
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:58,960
exists independent of those witnesses in

2868
01:45:01,590 --> 01:45:00,000
other words

2869
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:01,600
are these real independent creatures

2870
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,840
that exist exactly as they appear to the

2871
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,360
witness

2872
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,679
before we have that answer

2873
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,600
i'm going to put you in cliffhanger mode

2874
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:10,800
here

2875
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,000
okay because it's going to be like a

2876
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,239
reality tv show

2877
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:16,719
next week you will get the answer

2878
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:19,040
to that or was it really the ghost of

2879
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:20,800
lon chaney jr

2880
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:23,280
who caused all this the book is monsters

2881
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among us the author is linda godfrey

2882
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:28,800
and we got a lot more to come and more

2883
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:30,800
listener questions with gene and chris

2884
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:43,430
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[Applause]

2941
01:48:03,510 --> 01:47:59,910
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2942
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:03,520
standard of paranormal radio

2943
01:48:08,180 --> 01:48:04,800
and now

2944
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:08,190
here's gene steinberg

2945
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:16,870
well that's linda lugosi

2946
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:18,470
that's enough of that stuff let's get

2947
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:20,239
back to our stories chris you asked a

2948
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:21,199
question

2949
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:24,480
again are you ready

2950
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:27,440
well i think what he was asking was um

2951
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:30,080
you know whether perhaps all of these

2952
01:48:34,870 --> 01:48:32,719
manifestations are projections from our

2953
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:34,880
human consciousness or are they

2954
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,360
something that someone else would see

2955
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,360
you know and i do think the idea of the

2956
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:41,440
shared hallucinations

2957
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,719
um

2958
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,719
being pretty much impossible unless you

2959
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:46,800
believe in a whole host of other psy

2960
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:48,320
factors

2961
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:50,639
speaks to that very well but you know

2962
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:52,880
then you start going down that wormhole

2963
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:54,080
of

2964
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:54,960
um

2965
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:56,480
that everybody's talking about these

2966
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:58,639
days which is quantum physics and

2967
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:01,520
mechanics and the idea of

2968
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:03,280
people sort of creating their own

2969
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:04,639
reality

2970
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,360
um if those things are true well then

2971
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:10,080
we're sort of creating everything

2972
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:12,239
um now the interesting thing is that

2973
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:13,920
some of these theories that are coming

2974
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:14,880
up

2975
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:18,159
and they they continue to advance and

2976
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:20,719
be proven in small ways

2977
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,080
really lead you to the this very

2978
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:25,920
conclusion you know that

2979
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:26,840
we

2980
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:30,719
participate in our universe in a much

2981
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:33,119
too much greater degree than than we

2982
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:34,960
would expect we tend to view ourselves

2983
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:37,520
as these little you know meat shells

2984
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:39,520
um walking around with stuff happening

2985
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:41,119
to us but

2986
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:44,320
um not according to

2987
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:46,239
many of the latest

2988
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,400
physic physics

2989
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,719
formulas

2990
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:53,119
that are beginning to take consciousness

2991
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:54,880
into account as part of their form which

2992
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,719
is gets really tricky and i believe that

2993
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:58,719
the physicists are very divided on this

2994
01:50:02,229 --> 01:50:00,000
some won't touch it because it's too

2995
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:02,239
ooky spooky others are saying yeah we

2996
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:03,840
need to go here because that's where

2997
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:06,560
they're leading but

2998
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:08,960
for instance um one of my favorites is

2999
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:11,360
the many interacting worlds uh there's a

3000
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:13,280
quantum physicist his name is howard

3001
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:15,360
wiseman and it's probably a couple of

3002
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,119
years old by now even because these

3003
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:19,199
things are moving very quickly

3004
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:21,600
he's one who believes that there are

3005
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,639
many intersecting worlds and that

3006
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:26,159
they're almost what you call ghost

3007
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,639
universes because the same way that we

3008
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:30,719
expect if we see a ghost it seems like

3009
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:32,320
it's interacting with us right in our

3010
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:34,800
own world we don't think it's off

3011
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,320
somewhere in some far away dimension

3012
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,280
it's right there and this is how

3013
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:41,760
we would be perceiving many of the of

3014
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:43,840
these things that aren't ordinarily

3015
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,320
visible to us they can interact and it's

3016
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,480
been proven they can interact under

3017
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:50,080
certain conditions

3018
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,199
in a minute way in in a mini scale a

3019
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:55,199
micro scale they haven't been able to

3020
01:50:58,229 --> 01:50:56,719
prove the macro scale that would be

3021
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:58,239
needed for us to see something as large

3022
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,199
as say a bigfoot or whatever

3023
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:03,679
but um the other interesting aspect of

3024
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:06,480
this formula was that it predicted these

3025
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,800
worlds would be as real as ours but

3026
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:10,480
older

3027
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:13,840
which is interesting because um

3028
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,679
it's a lot like what

3029
01:51:19,590 --> 01:51:18,080
native american people that i have

3030
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:19,600
interviewed personally from several

3031
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,400
different

3032
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:22,560
tribes have told us these creatures

3033
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:23,840
are here

3034
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:26,320
they can also be in their other world

3035
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,000
they're older than us

3036
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:30,400
they're as real as us when they're here

3037
01:51:35,590 --> 01:51:32,000
but when they're you know it really

3038
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:35,600
sounds like an iteration of dr wiseman's

3039
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,360
amazing theory which i don't even

3040
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:39,520
pretend to understand i'm hopeless at

3041
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,480
math and i do not get physics but

3042
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:44,719
i'll believe it when all these very

3043
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:47,280
intelligent people tell me that

3044
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,280
they are creating equations and

3045
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:50,960
discovering equations

3046
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:53,520
that predict and almost demand

3047
01:51:57,910 --> 01:51:55,840
all of these factors that

3048
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:57,920
people who say i don't believe anything

3049
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:59,599
more than i can see

3050
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:02,159
taste smell or hear and i hear that from

3051
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,199
people

3052
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:04,960
very frequently i have a number of

3053
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:06,880
relatives for instance who

3054
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,360
have said that not too long ago

3055
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:11,679
you know it's just counteracting that

3056
01:52:16,629 --> 01:52:14,560
very materialist view right

3057
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:16,639
well just hopefully one day they'll

3058
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,320
smell a bigfoot and

3059
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,159
it's something you don't forget that's

3060
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:22,320
right that's right i i've had that

3061
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:23,679
experience

3062
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,480
several times yeah it's beyond foul but

3063
01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:28,400
it's so different you know it's just

3064
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:31,119
it's a very unique um i think we talked

3065
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:32,800
last time i was out about that time that

3066
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:34,000
i had a

3067
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,199
35 foot long tree limb snapped off in

3068
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:39,280
two motions right in front of me in the

3069
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,159
kettle moraine right and went

3070
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:44,639
went back and the whole place just

3071
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,199
reeked of this smell down

3072
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:49,679
by this tree where where it happened and

3073
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:51,920
you can't forget it's like skunkish but

3074
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:52,719
not

3075
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:54,480
it's like a human skunk that's how i

3076
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,040
described it many times yeah it's like

3077
01:53:02,310 --> 01:52:59,280
mixed with skunk and there's also sort

3078
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,320
of an odor of sweet grass sometimes with

3079
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:04,080
it mixed in which makes it just really

3080
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:05,040
odd

3081
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,119
a couple months ago my colleague sanjay

3082
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,840
singhal and i were checking out a trail

3083
01:53:14,070 --> 01:53:12,000
we hadn't been on before and i found a

3084
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:14,080
tree that just looked like it would be

3085
01:53:18,149 --> 01:53:15,920
something really good for big things to

3086
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:18,159
hide in and i walked off the trail a

3087
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,920
second and looked around behind it and i

3088
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,520
was finding some look what looked like

3089
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,280
little hair stuck in the bark and that

3090
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:25,360
kind of thing and all of a sudden this

3091
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:27,520
most overwhelming

3092
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:30,080
i call it scent sliming because it's

3093
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:33,040
like something just slimed my whole head

3094
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:34,800
you know it was like in my mouth and in

3095
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:38,000
my nose and breathing it that same exact

3096
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:40,320
smell and i just kind of bent over and

3097
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,239
started gagging and then

3098
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:44,000
sanjay who was standing about 10 feet

3099
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:46,480
away from me on the trail it reached him

3100
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:48,000
and then he did the same thing and he

3101
01:53:52,470 --> 01:53:50,239
actually felt worse we had to leave he

3102
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:52,480
really felt sick from it so i'm not even

3103
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:54,320
sure that's their actual bodily smell

3104
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:56,159
but perhaps something they can project

3105
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:57,840
in a way i don't know oh that's

3106
01:54:00,950 --> 01:54:00,000
interesting well i never never thought

3107
01:54:02,390 --> 01:54:00,960
about that

3108
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:02,400
i always thought that they you know just

3109
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,880
had a they'd gone with without a shower

3110
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,960
and were able to it's almost like like

3111
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:08,560
something being sprayed i think you're

3112
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:10,960
right yeah there is an aspect of that

3113
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:12,800
almost like a skunk skunk spray and

3114
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:13,920
that's the only

3115
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,239
thing that i can equate it to as a

3116
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:17,840
comparison

3117
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:19,760
and hence the name skunk ape you know i

3118
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:21,040
mean that's right

3119
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:22,239
one of the reasons why i think the

3120
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:23,920
southern versions

3121
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:25,520
have gained that name because they're

3122
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:28,000
supposed to be especially foul

3123
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:29,360
living in you know in the human

3124
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:30,960
environment of course uh

3125
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:32,800
all the factory stuff tends to be a

3126
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:35,440
little bit more powerful i think or

3127
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:37,360
impactful

3128
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:39,360
like for instance when it rains here i

3129
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,480
have a rug that a stray cat got in and

3130
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:44,400
pissed all over one corner of the rug

3131
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:45,760
which i scrubbed and scrubbed and

3132
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:47,199
scrubbed and normally in this dry

3133
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:48,880
environment you don't smell anything but

3134
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:50,239
as soon as it rains outside i get a

3135
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:51,119
slight

3136
01:54:57,270 --> 01:54:54,080
then we're talking something four or

3137
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:57,280
five years ago that happened so

3138
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:00,239
anyway uh moving along here um i

3139
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,719
i do want to ask a couple more questions

3140
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:04,960
here from our our listeners

3141
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:07,360
this is kind of gets into a as he calls

3142
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:09,840
it the single causal paranormal toe or

3143
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,840
theory of everything he's wondering in

3144
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:13,679
your estimation considering all the

3145
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:15,599
research that you've done do you lean

3146
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:17,440
towards a single causal phenomenon or

3147
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:19,679
theory of everything for the types of

3148
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:21,040
experiences that you relate in your

3149
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:23,199
books this in essence probably being

3150
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:24,719
either a single aspect of our natural

3151
01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:26,639
environment or of which two or more

3152
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:28,480
independent beings monster and human

3153
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:29,920
interact briefly

3154
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:31,520
or do you think that possibly a single

3155
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:33,920
aspect of ourselves consciousness allows

3156
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:36,320
for or is directly responsible for an

3157
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:38,880
interactive quasi-dimension of reality

3158
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:41,760
known as the experiential paranormal so

3159
01:55:45,589 --> 01:55:43,679
this is kind of on along the lines of

3160
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,599
what we were just talking about do you

3161
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:47,760
think that a person is interacting with

3162
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:49,599
something that is purely physical or do

3163
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:52,320
you think and if so which types of cases

3164
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:54,320
do you think there's differences

3165
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,920
between types of phenomenon or do you

3166
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:57,280
think we're dealing with something that

3167
01:56:02,229 --> 01:55:59,440
is fairly consistent in terms of its

3168
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,239
interaction with with consciousness well

3169
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:04,320
there have been a number of researchers

3170
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:08,159
lately and i i tend to uh concur

3171
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:09,040
that

3172
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:10,960
all of these different things the moth

3173
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:13,920
band the bigfoot the wolfman the sea

3174
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:15,280
creatures

3175
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:17,679
are manifestations

3176
01:56:23,189 --> 01:56:21,520
of a global or sort of everywhere

3177
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,199
consciousness

3178
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:25,760
that is other than our own separate

3179
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:27,040
differentiation so you're saying there

3180
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:29,840
is a connection somehow between well

3181
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:32,400
somehow somehow this other this other

3182
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:35,199
global consciousness um some people

3183
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:37,360
think of it as maybe the mind of the

3184
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:39,199
earth mother i've heard it put that way

3185
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:42,159
guy is gaia's mind or the the earth the

3186
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:44,480
the great earth spirit it is something

3187
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:46,480
that um you know is everywhere but it

3188
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:50,080
can interact with the human mind

3189
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:53,440
to either help us project something or

3190
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:56,239
to project itself into a form that it

3191
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,000
finds in our own

3192
01:57:01,910 --> 01:57:00,719
minds and i have actually a pretty good

3193
01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:01,920
experience

3194
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:05,360
to to justify that which is um when i

3195
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was uh working on i did the

3196
01:57:11,830 --> 01:57:09,920
clauthored the weird wisconsin and

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authored the weird michigan books for

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the barnes and noble weird us series

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and

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i had to find a certain number of really

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haunted places and i found this this one

3202
01:57:24,790 --> 01:57:22,159
place in michigan where i just

3203
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it was manistee michigan i went into

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town and asked the local historian who

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happened to just have a little shop on

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main street

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um where was a good haunted place

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[Music]

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so linda godfrey author of monsters

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02:02:17,430 --> 02:02:16,000
among us and other books tell the power

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02:02:19,270 --> 02:02:17,440
cast listeners

3317
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,280
what did this person

3318
02:02:22,070 --> 02:02:21,119
tell you when you asked about a haunted

3319
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:22,080
place

3320
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:24,000
well he pointed me down the street to an

3321
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:25,280
old brick building that had been built

3322
02:02:29,350 --> 02:02:27,840
by a german family supposedly

3323
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:29,360
several of the members had died and they

3324
02:02:34,070 --> 02:02:31,679
had a bar in the lower level in the

3325
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:34,080
olden days and then they had apartments

3326
02:02:37,750 --> 02:02:35,840
upstairs and

3327
02:02:39,510 --> 02:02:37,760
there was a teenage member of that

3328
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:39,520
family that was supposed to have died

3329
02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:41,760
from diphtheria or something and still

3330
02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:43,520
lived in the basement his name was

3331
02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:44,880
williams and they called them basement

3332
02:02:49,189 --> 02:02:47,440
billy now i never heard of basement

3333
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:49,199
building i had nothing in my mind about

3334
02:02:53,669 --> 02:02:49,840
it

3335
02:02:56,390 --> 02:02:53,679
just you know a lark so there was no

3336
02:02:57,990 --> 02:02:56,400
preparation or setup for it and the

3337
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:58,000
owner of the building the present owner

3338
02:03:02,149 --> 02:03:00,080
took me down to the basement where he

3339
02:03:04,310 --> 02:03:02,159
was supposed to live although he was

3340
02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:04,320
also seen in his period costume

3341
02:03:08,629 --> 02:03:05,920
sometimes wandering around the parking

3342
02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:08,639
lot up outside on the street and that

3343
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:10,960
basement had nothing in it it was a dirt

3344
02:03:14,550 --> 02:03:12,239
floor basement

3345
02:03:16,229 --> 02:03:14,560
empty there was a one light bulb way at

3346
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:16,239
the end of it and one right behind us

3347
02:03:20,149 --> 02:03:18,080
and i had her turn off the light so we

3348
02:03:21,510 --> 02:03:20,159
could stand and pitch black to see if

3349
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:21,520
basement billy would appear because i

3350
02:03:26,310 --> 02:03:24,000
had to do something you know from to to

3351
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:26,320
um research it for the book

3352
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:29,920
well he did i much to my wondering eye

3353
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:31,360
should appear

3354
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:34,400
this sphere and it just it came out of

3355
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:36,480
nowhere it was a low basement so it

3356
02:03:40,149 --> 02:03:38,000
could have been more than seven feet off

3357
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,159
the floor maybe 10 feet away from me

3358
02:03:45,189 --> 02:03:42,480
it's about the size of a basketball

3359
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:45,199
um glowing but not emitting light to

3360
02:03:49,510 --> 02:03:47,920
light anything up and i saw it and i

3361
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,520
couldn't believe it it felt to me like

3362
02:03:53,589 --> 02:03:51,679
it was sentient like it was interested

3363
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:53,599
or something i couldn't believe it i

3364
02:03:59,430 --> 02:03:56,719
blinked i looked away it was still there

3365
02:04:00,550 --> 02:03:59,440
and i had my camera in my hands and i

3366
02:04:03,109 --> 02:04:00,560
was too

3367
02:04:04,790 --> 02:04:03,119
amazed to quit by the time i realized my

3368
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:04,800
camera was there then it started fading

3369
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:05,920
away

3370
02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:07,040
and

3371
02:04:09,830 --> 02:04:08,239
the woman

3372
02:04:12,790 --> 02:04:09,840
who was with me the owner of the

3373
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:12,800
building also saw basement billy but she

3374
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:14,639
saw the young man

3375
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:16,239
completely dressed in the period

3376
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:17,280
clothing

3377
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:19,520
and we were both gasping for having seen

3378
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:22,159
it at such close range but i'm thinking

3379
02:04:25,990 --> 02:04:24,480
because in her mind her consciousness

3380
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:26,000
living there and knowing the story she

3381
02:04:30,550 --> 02:04:28,560
had a pre-formed picture in her head of

3382
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:30,560
what he looked like that somehow

3383
02:04:35,350 --> 02:04:33,520
whatever that electromagnetic energy was

3384
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:35,360
and i don't know that it was actually

3385
02:04:38,790 --> 02:04:37,679
any spirit of of a young man who died

3386
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:38,800
there but it was some form of

3387
02:04:43,830 --> 02:04:41,360
electromagnetic energy was able to

3388
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:43,840
project itself to conform to what she

3389
02:04:47,669 --> 02:04:45,920
knew and because i had just walked in i

3390
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:47,679
had no clue as to what basement building

3391
02:04:51,910 --> 02:04:49,760
looked like or anything i just saw the

3392
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:51,920
pure energy form so why do you think it

3393
02:04:55,270 --> 02:04:54,239
was electromagnetic in nature well

3394
02:04:57,109 --> 02:04:55,280
because

3395
02:04:58,550 --> 02:04:57,119
just in general

3396
02:05:00,870 --> 02:04:58,560
in our world

3397
02:05:02,870 --> 02:05:00,880
you have electricity and magnetism

3398
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:02,880
working as general forces when you have

3399
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:04,960
these unexplained lights and there's so

3400
02:05:09,430 --> 02:05:07,360
often related to

3401
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:09,440
geological formations

3402
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:10,960
and things that would create

3403
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:12,880
electromagnetic waves so

3404
02:05:17,750 --> 02:05:14,560
it's my general assumption and it may

3405
02:05:20,070 --> 02:05:17,760
not be right but whatever the energy was

3406
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:20,080
it was able to interact with each of us

3407
02:05:25,270 --> 02:05:23,840
according to our own pre-held conception

3408
02:05:26,550 --> 02:05:25,280
so there's a classic example of

3409
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:26,560
consciousness

3410
02:05:31,510 --> 02:05:28,960
putting the details on what may at the

3411
02:05:32,709 --> 02:05:31,520
core be an unusual event

3412
02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:32,719
but the actual details and the

3413
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:34,480
appearance of that is is

3414
02:05:38,229 --> 02:05:36,800
will vary between witnesses

3415
02:05:39,990 --> 02:05:38,239
right so i think

3416
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:40,000
personally that's always been something

3417
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:41,280
that seemed

3418
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:42,800
as if it could be

3419
02:05:47,189 --> 02:05:45,760
a likely theory of everything if if

3420
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:47,199
you can explain all the different

3421
02:05:50,629 --> 02:05:49,119
creatures that way and the difference in

3422
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:50,639
appearance between

3423
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:51,599
ghost

3424
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:56,159
that that's as close as i've been able

3425
02:05:58,709 --> 02:05:57,520
to come

3426
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:58,719
okay

3427
02:06:01,910 --> 02:06:00,239
but i still it still doesn't throw out

3428
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:01,920
the other worlds you know because we

3429
02:06:05,270 --> 02:06:03,599
don't know maybe these energies are

3430
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:05,280
coming from other worlds you know maybe

3431
02:06:08,550 --> 02:06:06,639
they're not an emanation of the earth

3432
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:08,560
maybe they're something that's coming

3433
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:09,440
through

3434
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:10,800
and opening from somewhere else that's

3435
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:12,719
what we really don't know

3436
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:14,800
you see one of the things i see when we

3437
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:16,239
talk about this and chris and i have

3438
02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:17,599
been talking about

3439
02:06:20,149 --> 02:06:19,360
alternative realities and things like

3440
02:06:22,390 --> 02:06:20,159
that

3441
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:22,400
when you go to a so-called quote-unquote

3442
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,639
mainstream scientist and you say hey

3443
02:06:28,470 --> 02:06:26,960
there you know we're looking into

3444
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,480
strange creatures

3445
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:30,560
and you start giving them the multiverse

3446
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:32,960
and you start giving them the portals

3447
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:34,800
and the other realities they look at you

3448
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:36,560
their eyes glaze over and they say what

3449
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:38,960
the heck is that so how do you sell it

3450
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:41,760
to them or can you

3451
02:06:46,709 --> 02:06:44,239
to the physicists or

3452
02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:46,719
so the mainstream scientists

3453
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:48,400
you know in terms of a physicist they

3454
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:49,280
can say

3455
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:51,280
multiverse all that stuff but that's a

3456
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:53,440
theory we're giving them reality okay we

3457
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:54,800
got the creatures here and they might be

3458
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:56,000
from there

3459
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:58,400
right right and

3460
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,719
from what i understand you know from

3461
02:07:04,390 --> 02:07:02,639
what i've read and different interviews

3462
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:04,400
i've seen and things like that

3463
02:07:07,189 --> 02:07:05,199
um

3464
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:07,199
some of that glazed look is purposeful

3465
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:08,880
they just do not want to discuss it

3466
02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:11,280
because it gets them in hot water with

3467
02:07:15,189 --> 02:07:13,599
their own colleagues and effects papers

3468
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:15,199
they can publish and that kind of thing

3469
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:16,880
because um

3470
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:19,280
some of them are not up to par with with

3471
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:20,079
uh

3472
02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:23,040
say dr wiseman or other people you know

3473
02:07:27,910 --> 02:07:25,840
and each of them has their own little

3474
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,920
leading edge that they're trying to

3475
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,599
explore and discover maybe they don't

3476
02:07:32,709 --> 02:07:31,280
always want to affirm

3477
02:07:35,109 --> 02:07:32,719
other people's you know there are lots

3478
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:35,119
of different human reasons for that

3479
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:36,719
um

3480
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:39,119
but i i think that

3481
02:07:42,870 --> 02:07:41,280
it probably as these other theories

3482
02:07:44,310 --> 02:07:42,880
become better and better known i'm

3483
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:44,320
hoping that may

3484
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,920
change a little bit the harder part is

3485
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:49,920
bringing it out and not having your

3486
02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:52,880
average reader glaze over because

3487
02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:54,719
you say the word quantum mechanics and

3488
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:56,639
then they go oh my god i failed physics

3489
02:07:59,669 --> 02:07:58,159
in high school oh shut off you know

3490
02:08:00,550 --> 02:07:59,679
that's not possible they're just making

3491
02:08:01,430 --> 02:08:00,560
this up

3492
02:08:03,270 --> 02:08:01,440
um

3493
02:08:05,350 --> 02:08:03,280
and you know i've talked about portals

3494
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:05,360
quite a bit in the book and in fact that

3495
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:06,800
was going to be the original title

3496
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:08,719
except then the future encounters sort

3497
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:10,880
of took over so we changed it

3498
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,159
but

3499
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:14,239
you know as as far as the portals go i

3500
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,560
do make the point that it seems likely

3501
02:08:20,069 --> 02:08:18,239
given the number of mathematical

3502
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:20,079
formulas that predict

3503
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:23,520
something like a portal might

3504
02:08:27,669 --> 02:08:25,520
truly be possible and is actually

3505
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:27,679
demanded in some cases

3506
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:28,719
um

3507
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,599
should be a a pretty good persuasive

3508
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:33,679
point to people but they you know they

3509
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:34,880
still

3510
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:38,000
don't really see that you know and and

3511
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:40,159
the the other thing is that

3512
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:41,920
okay let's say there is such a thing as

3513
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:43,199
a portal

3514
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:46,800
at this time we have no experimental way

3515
02:08:51,669 --> 02:08:49,040
or even experiential way

3516
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:51,679
of finding out which of those theories

3517
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:53,840
is it many interacting worlds is it a

3518
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:56,719
bubble universe is it uh some you know

3519
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:58,560
is it some ghost

3520
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:01,040
universe right next to ours what

3521
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:03,280
is it just our minds we don't know

3522
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:05,360
um so a few people have claimed and

3523
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:08,000
walked into something like a portal

3524
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,320
or seen into one but

3525
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:12,320
it's not anything i

3526
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:14,239
i believe

3527
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:16,320
you know i think they're unverified

3528
02:09:19,589 --> 02:09:18,239
and we just don't have a way of sending

3529
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:19,599
somebody in

3530
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:22,320
and you know remember that twilight zone

3531
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:24,800
a little girl lost where the dad went

3532
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:26,719
halfway into the portal to save his

3533
02:09:30,790 --> 02:09:28,960
little girl who'd fallen into it and

3534
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:30,800
only because um

3535
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:32,560
this wise scientist was holding on to

3536
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:34,480
his legs was he able to be pulled back

3537
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:36,320
out of it we don't know if that's what

3538
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:37,760
would happen

3539
02:09:39,669 --> 02:09:38,639
um

3540
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,679
and so we

3541
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:41,599
we just don't have the evidence to tell

3542
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:44,719
you know there was a british tv series

3543
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:47,520
primeval that was on i guess from 2007

3544
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:50,560
to 2011. there was a version made in

3545
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:53,360
canada a version made in the uk

3546
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:55,280
and in both cases what happened here is

3547
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:56,480
you'd have these

3548
02:10:02,149 --> 02:09:59,440
portals you'd see these portals show up

3549
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:02,159
right in the middle of a city in the uk

3550
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:03,920
and out of it would come some kind of

3551
02:10:07,669 --> 02:10:06,000
prehistoric creature and of course

3552
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:07,679
none of it made any sense you go in

3553
02:10:10,550 --> 02:10:08,560
there

3554
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:10,560
and you fight off the prehistoric

3555
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:13,119
creature then return or they closed was

3556
02:10:17,270 --> 02:10:15,360
all time based so wasn't it gene it was

3557
02:10:18,229 --> 02:10:17,280
time based mostly although i got the

3558
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:18,239
impression

3559
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:21,679
it was also reality based not just

3560
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:23,840
another time but another place we've got

3561
02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:26,639
more to come with gene and chris

3562
02:10:31,350 --> 02:10:28,800
and linda godfrey not going into a

3563
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:31,360
dimensional portal at least not yet

3564
02:10:43,149 --> 02:10:42,229
thank you for listening to gcn

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fox from 800-823-3851-823-3851 ufos

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you're listening to the paracast the

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02:15:09,109 --> 02:15:06,709
dimensional portal commentaries

3674
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:09,119
uh i like this subject

3675
02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:10,159
yeah

3676
02:15:13,430 --> 02:15:12,320
because i i think i've found one i mean

3677
02:15:15,189 --> 02:15:13,440
in fact i

3678
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:15,199
i would be willing to bet

3679
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:17,679
that um the average person

3680
02:15:21,589 --> 02:15:19,840
if they visited this place

3681
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:21,599
just a handful of times would experience

3682
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:23,679
something unusual and it's very location

3683
02:15:26,629 --> 02:15:24,719
specific

3684
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:26,639
tell me where let's go let's mount an

3685
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:28,800
expedition i took rosemary there and

3686
02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:31,119
kylie and we both had a shared

3687
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:32,400
experience which i've mentioned on the

3688
02:15:36,310 --> 02:15:34,800
show a number of times oh yes of course

3689
02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:36,320
rosemary will be back from the other

3690
02:15:41,109 --> 02:15:39,199
reality in 2000 years

3691
02:15:44,149 --> 02:15:41,119
well it wasn't anything like that it's

3692
02:15:47,109 --> 02:15:44,159
just a place where there's a doorway and

3693
02:15:48,390 --> 02:15:47,119
and it seems to be an entrance and exit

3694
02:15:50,709 --> 02:15:48,400
point for

3695
02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:50,719
a lot of different things

3696
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:52,320
i'm going to see her next month i'll ask

3697
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:55,679
her about that yeah well she

3698
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:57,760
you know i what a perfect person to have

3699
02:16:02,550 --> 02:16:00,960
as as as a witness you know yeah can't

3700
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:02,560
be because you talk about someone that's

3701
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:04,239
been there and done that and seen a lot

3702
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:05,920
of stuff yeah

3703
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,760
after we had our little kind of shared

3704
02:16:11,669 --> 02:16:09,679
experience and then we went back to the

3705
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:11,679
house where we were staying and you know

3706
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:13,040
during the conversation she made the

3707
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:14,960
comment well i hope it didn't follow us

3708
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:16,000
here

3709
02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:18,400
and a plan jumped off the windowsill

3710
02:16:22,390 --> 02:16:19,360
into the

3711
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:22,400
the floor

3712
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:24,719
oh wow wow

3713
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:27,119
be careful what you wish for

3714
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:28,560
what did it look like though can you

3715
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:30,320
tell us what it looked like

3716
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:32,399
well you know it was one of those things

3717
02:16:36,790 --> 02:16:35,280
where it wasn't really fully visible um

3718
02:16:39,030 --> 02:16:36,800
it was more of a

3719
02:16:40,309 --> 02:16:39,040
a presence in the atmosphere it was

3720
02:16:42,389 --> 02:16:40,319
shimmering

3721
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:42,399
it came right up right in our faces and

3722
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:44,719
then another one was a smaller one went

3723
02:16:50,549 --> 02:16:48,399
around us our feet around our ankles uh

3724
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:50,559
and curved around us to behind and kind

3725
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:53,120
of appeared to go behind us i think

3726
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:55,920
but we both just stood there frozen

3727
02:16:59,910 --> 02:16:57,280
and then kind of looked at each other

3728
02:17:02,629 --> 02:16:59,920
sideways and said simultaneously i think

3729
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,639
it's time to leave

3730
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:03,840
wow

3731
02:17:07,030 --> 02:17:05,840
so but you didn't see into it like it

3732
02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:07,040
didn't

3733
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:11,599
it was um about five to six feet tall um

3734
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:13,280
it seemed almost

3735
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:14,880
humanoid

3736
02:17:19,910 --> 02:17:17,439
in terms of proportion

3737
02:17:22,070 --> 02:17:19,920
but it was it wasn't uh really visible

3738
02:17:24,070 --> 02:17:22,080
it was more like an energy form

3739
02:17:26,150 --> 02:17:24,080
that we both

3740
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:26,160
were able to i think anybody that had

3741
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:27,519
been standing there would have been able

3742
02:17:31,030 --> 02:17:29,040
to detect it it wasn't something that

3743
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:31,040
was you know only detected psychically

3744
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:33,679
or there was something of physicality to

3745
02:17:38,549 --> 02:17:34,559
it

3746
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:38,559
faulty cloaking device would be one way

3747
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:40,639
to describe it there was a it was at

3748
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:41,439
night

3749
02:17:45,429 --> 02:17:43,200
it was definitely shimmering uh there

3750
02:17:48,070 --> 02:17:45,439
was some sort of

3751
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:48,080
kind of a silvery whitish

3752
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:50,240
reflection coming off of it

3753
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:53,040
uh and it came across the uh

3754
02:17:57,110 --> 02:17:56,319
the expanse where we were standing um it

3755
02:18:00,230 --> 02:17:57,120
just

3756
02:18:01,270 --> 02:18:00,240
it rushed at us and it was there in a

3757
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:01,280
second

3758
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:06,080
at least 100 feet maybe 75 feet

3759
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:08,000
and was almost instantly right there in

3760
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:10,160
our faces now normally when i enter into

3761
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:12,160
this particular location

3762
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:14,960
i sit down clear my mind of thoughts

3763
02:18:18,549 --> 02:18:17,519
kind of introduce myself i work my way

3764
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:18,559
into

3765
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,960
the the location

3766
02:18:25,030 --> 02:18:22,399
we just went in there like bulls in a

3767
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:25,040
china shop you know i mean i mean not

3768
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,719
you know we weren't yelling and laughing

3769
02:18:31,110 --> 02:18:28,800
and screaming but we just walked right

3770
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,120
in and normally especially at night i

3771
02:18:35,669 --> 02:18:33,519
don't do that um i take my time i ease

3772
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:35,679
myself into the situation and i've never

3773
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:38,399
i've never had something confrontational

3774
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:40,559
shall we say or confronting me

3775
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:42,240
um like i did the night that i went in

3776
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:44,240
there with rosemary and uh

3777
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:45,439
you know it was fairly near where i

3778
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:48,800
lived for 13 years and you know i did go

3779
02:18:53,110 --> 02:18:51,120
in there on a number of occasions and

3780
02:18:54,870 --> 02:18:53,120
and um and have experiences but they

3781
02:18:57,669 --> 02:18:54,880
were much more benign

3782
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:57,679
um they seemed to be

3783
02:19:02,790 --> 02:19:00,240
interested almost you know interested in

3784
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:02,800
the fact that we were there but not

3785
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:04,639
like who the hell are you

3786
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:05,679
you know

3787
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:07,200
what are you doing here that was the

3788
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:09,120
feeling that i that i got and i think i

3789
02:19:12,790 --> 02:19:10,479
think i can say

3790
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:12,800
fairly shortly that rosemary got the

3791
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:14,800
same exact impression and we both

3792
02:19:20,230 --> 02:19:17,519
compared notes later and she experienced

3793
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:20,240
pretty much exactly what i experienced

3794
02:19:24,150 --> 02:19:21,679
that's fascinating yeah you should talk

3795
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:24,160
to her about it it's the uh i will

3796
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,000
in the baccagrande subdivision where i

3797
02:19:29,830 --> 02:19:28,399
lived in colorado um it was and then the

3798
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:29,840
plant jumping off the windowsill that

3799
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:32,880
was the capper oh wow yeah that i bet

3800
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:35,120
you both just jumped like eight higher

3801
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:37,280
than the the plant did no we just looked

3802
02:19:42,469 --> 02:19:40,160
at each other went oh no

3803
02:19:45,589 --> 02:19:42,479
and the owners of the house uh

3804
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:45,599
the wife was not very happy about it

3805
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:47,599
she made me do a complete cleansing of

3806
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:50,720
the house before we left

3807
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:52,319
wow yeah yeah

3808
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:54,399
there was a clumsy pure psychologist

3809
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:55,680
they had it again

3810
02:19:59,590 --> 02:19:58,080
well yeah

3811
02:20:02,309 --> 02:19:59,600
it was just one of those things you know

3812
02:20:04,070 --> 02:20:02,319
where i just i went out of my carefully

3813
02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:04,080
established protocols that i had for the

3814
02:20:06,950 --> 02:20:06,080
place for several years for a number of

3815
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:06,960
years

3816
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:08,160
oh well

3817
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:10,319
there's a little something to be i think

3818
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:11,840
there's a lesson there for the listeners

3819
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:13,920
if you do know of a place that has a

3820
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:15,760
reputation whether it's a haunted side

3821
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:17,840
or whether it's some sort of portal s

3822
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:18,720
type

3823
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:20,399
location

3824
02:20:25,110 --> 02:20:23,040
i think it would be advisable to ease

3825
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:25,120
into the location as opposed to just

3826
02:20:30,469 --> 02:20:27,920
storming in i i think that uh

3827
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:30,479
unless that's what that's the kind of um

3828
02:20:33,670 --> 02:20:31,920
reaction that you want to elicit from

3829
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:33,680
whatever is there

3830
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:36,960
i have a crazy comment or question here

3831
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:39,520
does the belief that some place may be a

3832
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:40,880
portal

3833
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:43,200
does that belief

3834
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:46,560
influence the potential reality

3835
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:49,200
according to quantum mechanics it does

3836
02:20:53,349 --> 02:20:50,080
because

3837
02:20:56,070 --> 02:20:53,359
i mean the way that works is that

3838
02:20:57,990 --> 02:20:56,080
in the the microcosm you take two little

3839
02:21:00,469 --> 02:20:58,000
particles that are i mean little like

3840
02:21:02,870 --> 02:21:00,479
pieces of an atom different particles

3841
02:21:05,429 --> 02:21:02,880
and you mingle them physically

3842
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:05,439
and then you separate them

3843
02:21:10,790 --> 02:21:08,160
and no matter how far separated they are

3844
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,800
they will always react as if they were

3845
02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:13,040
still connected to each other

3846
02:21:16,790 --> 02:21:15,680
yeah it's david bowm uh in

3847
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:16,800
the

3848
02:21:22,950 --> 02:21:21,120
yes yeah and so

3849
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:22,960
it's this it's the thing and the thing

3850
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,160
is that

3851
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:26,560
if they further went on and conducted

3852
02:21:30,630 --> 02:21:29,680
experiments to show that um

3853
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:30,640
one

3854
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:35,840
they and this is complete fact it's not

3855
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:38,240
just theory they discovered that

3856
02:21:44,550 --> 02:21:41,120
human observation

3857
02:21:46,550 --> 02:21:44,560
and human thought determined um these

3858
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:46,560
particles are actually little waves and

3859
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:48,560
what determines the final outcome is

3860
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:50,960
that they sort of collapse into a final

3861
02:21:53,750 --> 02:21:52,080
form

3862
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:53,760
and i mean this can get very complicated

3863
02:21:57,830 --> 02:21:55,439
i'm just giving you like you're mixing

3864
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,840
uh your mixing theory mixing i am mixing

3865
02:22:01,510 --> 02:21:59,840
theories a little bit yes you're right

3866
02:22:03,830 --> 02:22:01,520
you're right you're talking about the

3867
02:22:06,550 --> 02:22:03,840
open hanging interpretation heisenberg

3868
02:22:09,510 --> 02:22:06,560
well which bells uh the bells there and

3869
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:09,520
david bowm earlier um

3870
02:22:14,710 --> 02:22:11,520
he came up with the same math

3871
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:14,720
but bone's theory of

3872
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:17,840
a causality or non non-uh

3873
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:21,280
uh non-local sort of uh

3874
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:22,960
you know what i think

3875
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:24,800
einstein referred to as spooky action at

3876
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:27,040
a distance um right which is instead of

3877
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:29,840
an indeterminacy of a particle or wave

3878
02:22:33,830 --> 02:22:32,000
only a particle if you're observing it

3879
02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:33,840
uh bohm said well that's not that's not

3880
02:22:37,910 --> 02:22:36,479
correct um it's actually it's actually

3881
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:37,920
instantaneous

3882
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:39,200
uh

3883
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:41,200
effect um

3884
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:41,920
of

3885
02:22:47,270 --> 02:22:45,439
relationship as soon as you do one

3886
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:47,280
something to one it affects all

3887
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,399
particles

3888
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:50,960
right yeah so exactly and thank you yeah

3889
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:52,000
thank you that's a much better

3890
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:54,240
explanation i was just trying to jump

3891
02:22:59,110 --> 02:22:57,120
jump over it to get to the place where

3892
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:59,120
um the upshot

3893
02:23:04,870 --> 02:23:00,960
is that

3894
02:23:07,990 --> 02:23:04,880
it lead it can lead to a belief that our

3895
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:08,000
observation of things allows them to be

3896
02:23:11,510 --> 02:23:09,760
or causes them to

3897
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:11,520
collapse into whatever form they're

3898
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:13,920
going to take right well yeah yeah it

3899
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:15,920
causes change to put it crudely to put

3900
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:17,600
it yeah it causes change in other words

3901
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:18,399
uh

3902
02:23:23,750 --> 02:23:20,479
in other words the very act of observing

3903
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:23,760
a process changes it exactly yeah

3904
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:24,960
so

3905
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:27,439
you know but i mean again it's

3906
02:23:32,630 --> 02:23:30,399
even the the best physicists don't still

3907
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:32,640
fully understand it so

3908
02:23:35,910 --> 02:23:34,640
you know i'm sure i'll be long gone be

3909
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:35,920
before they do

3910
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:37,920
but it's i just love to read about it

3911
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:40,720
it's just fast to me that it just makes

3912
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:42,160
everything

3913
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:43,040
um

3914
02:23:46,150 --> 02:23:44,240
magical

3915
02:23:48,070 --> 02:23:46,160
well yeah in in science is slowly

3916
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:48,080
validating things that uh

3917
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:49,520
shamans and

3918
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:52,319
and uh adapts uh for centuries millennia

3919
02:23:55,190 --> 02:23:54,399
have have always kind of had a

3920
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:55,200
uh

3921
02:23:58,710 --> 02:23:56,160
i think

3922
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:58,720
uh more of a subcultural theory about

3923
02:24:01,429 --> 02:23:59,520
but

3924
02:24:03,670 --> 02:24:01,439
these subcultural beliefs and theories

3925
02:24:05,590 --> 02:24:03,680
are slowly being validated by science

3926
02:24:08,469 --> 02:24:05,600
which leads me to a really good question

3927
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from kanna karis who's also been

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a listener and poster at

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forum.paracast.com our question bank can

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the other side

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so this will be our final segment coming

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up we're talking about monsters and

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4049
02:29:11,110 --> 02:29:08,880
so we're on our final segment with linda

4050
02:29:12,469 --> 02:29:11,120
godfrey author of monsters among us i

4051
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:12,479
think one of the most fun-filled

4052
02:29:15,910 --> 02:29:14,399
sessions we've ever had with her chris

4053
02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:15,920
you had a question coming up from a

4054
02:29:20,870 --> 02:29:18,160
listener well here you go this is the uh

4055
02:29:22,630 --> 02:29:20,880
the 64 million dollar question linda

4056
02:29:25,030 --> 02:29:22,640
do you agree that we look at these

4057
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:25,040
phenomena like a cat looking at an

4058
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:26,160
iphone

4059
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:27,920
in other words will we

4060
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:29,760
never understand them

4061
02:29:32,389 --> 02:29:31,520
i think what he meant to say is will we

4062
02:29:33,990 --> 02:29:32,399
ever

4063
02:29:36,469 --> 02:29:34,000
understand them

4064
02:29:39,270 --> 02:29:36,479
you know we have such

4065
02:29:41,270 --> 02:29:39,280
a higher understanding of technology and

4066
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:41,280
the universe and all these things just

4067
02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:42,960
from the past several hundred years

4068
02:29:46,550 --> 02:29:44,880
although i mean that's unless there were

4069
02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:46,560
ancient aliens of course

4070
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:49,840
but but i mean in our own civilization

4071
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:51,760
we've progressed so much

4072
02:29:56,150 --> 02:29:54,080
that it's you know as we go into

4073
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computers being quantum computers and

4074
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:57,120
having

4075
02:30:01,910 --> 02:29:59,840
powers hitherto undreamed of

4076
02:30:04,389 --> 02:30:01,920
i really think that there's a good

4077
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:04,399
chance we're going to get to this level

4078
02:30:08,309 --> 02:30:06,800
of understanding that you know you and i

4079
02:30:09,429 --> 02:30:08,319
wouldn't even be able to conceive of

4080
02:30:11,910 --> 02:30:09,439
right now

4081
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:11,920
i wish that i were younger to be able to

4082
02:30:14,389 --> 02:30:13,680
live and see all that you know i wish i

4083
02:30:17,190 --> 02:30:14,399
were

4084
02:30:18,469 --> 02:30:17,200
maybe 20 right now that would be great i

4085
02:30:20,230 --> 02:30:18,479
and i i mean there's no way of

4086
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:20,240
predicting it but when you consider how

4087
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:22,399
fast the information

4088
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:24,960
is uh moving just exponentially

4089
02:30:29,830 --> 02:30:27,600
um i i think it's possible you know um

4090
02:30:31,270 --> 02:30:29,840
so the more the more we know the more we

4091
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:31,280
don't know

4092
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:32,720
is

4093
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:37,280
the data derived from the technology

4094
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:39,200
you're saying that that will overwhelm

4095
02:30:43,510 --> 02:30:41,600
the mystery at some point well i mean

4096
02:30:45,190 --> 02:30:43,520
that's exactly how i feel right now the

4097
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:45,200
more i know the more i know i don't know

4098
02:30:48,550 --> 02:30:46,720
but um

4099
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:48,560
and i and i don't i mean i am a

4100
02:30:53,670 --> 02:30:50,479
christian i don't believe that we're

4101
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:53,680
going to in this earth's technology

4102
02:30:56,950 --> 02:30:55,200
understand

4103
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:56,960
god say or

4104
02:31:00,950 --> 02:30:59,040
all of his mysteries

4105
02:31:02,790 --> 02:31:00,960
but i think that we will understand a

4106
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:02,800
lot more of it and

4107
02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:04,720
god is his wait wait a minute you're

4108
02:31:08,070 --> 02:31:07,120
getting all gender specific here what's

4109
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:08,080
up with that

4110
02:31:13,190 --> 02:31:10,479
what's wrong with the goddess

4111
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:13,200
i'm using his in the general sense of

4112
02:31:17,910 --> 02:31:16,960
human kind okay just often used his

4113
02:31:20,469 --> 02:31:17,920
objective

4114
02:31:23,270 --> 02:31:20,479
his her all-encompassing yeah i don't

4115
02:31:26,309 --> 02:31:23,280
think god can be pinned down to a gender

4116
02:31:29,030 --> 02:31:26,319
of any type so i foresee just incredible

4117
02:31:31,670 --> 02:31:29,040
advances but i you know who knows if

4118
02:31:34,710 --> 02:31:31,680
we'll be able to uh live long enough as

4119
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:34,720
a civilization or or what will happen

4120
02:31:38,870 --> 02:31:36,560
yeah the next four years are gonna be

4121
02:31:42,630 --> 02:31:38,880
really interesting

4122
02:31:44,790 --> 02:31:42,640
that's for sure yep so

4123
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:44,800
i mean even in five to think we're going

4124
02:31:48,710 --> 02:31:46,720
to some of the space things that are

4125
02:31:50,150 --> 02:31:48,720
happening now that it's getting into

4126
02:31:51,910 --> 02:31:50,160
out of the hands of completely

4127
02:31:53,030 --> 02:31:51,920
government control to some of these

4128
02:31:54,830 --> 02:31:53,040
private

4129
02:31:58,070 --> 02:31:54,840
space agencies that are thinking much

4130
02:31:59,990 --> 02:31:58,080
differently about sending contacts and

4131
02:32:01,429 --> 02:32:00,000
people here and there that that nasa has

4132
02:32:02,870 --> 02:32:01,439
kind of given up on

4133
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:02,880
i see great hope there because every

4134
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:05,040
time we send anything out we learn so

4135
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:07,920
much more yeah well not to mention china

4136
02:32:12,550 --> 02:32:10,080
and india and other countries are yes

4137
02:32:15,830 --> 02:32:12,560
getting into the phrase some so to speak

4138
02:32:17,349 --> 02:32:15,840
exactly yeah it's a much more global

4139
02:32:18,389 --> 02:32:17,359
project

4140
02:32:20,309 --> 02:32:18,399
you know

4141
02:32:23,510 --> 02:32:20,319
what have we not covered that you'd like

4142
02:32:24,710 --> 02:32:23,520
to uh to cover about this current book

4143
02:32:26,309 --> 02:32:24,720
and also

4144
02:32:27,349 --> 02:32:26,319
some of the uh projects that you have

4145
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:27,359
coming up

4146
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:29,280
well one thing that i thought was was

4147
02:32:33,510 --> 02:32:31,280
very interesting that kind of kept

4148
02:32:34,469 --> 02:32:33,520
recurring in my research that i had not

4149
02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:34,479
been

4150
02:32:39,349 --> 02:32:37,600
so aware of before was um just the these

4151
02:32:41,590 --> 02:32:39,359
general forms of

4152
02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:41,600
things that look like mists

4153
02:32:45,349 --> 02:32:43,600
and maybe it's a i don't know if it's a

4154
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:45,359
little bit like what you and rosemary

4155
02:32:49,670 --> 02:32:47,200
experienced um but

4156
02:32:52,309 --> 02:32:49,680
i've got pictures of them that have come

4157
02:32:53,990 --> 02:32:52,319
from trail cams where there was a

4158
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:54,000
carcass lying on the ground and then

4159
02:32:57,110 --> 02:32:56,080
this mist comes and covers it for half

4160
02:32:58,790 --> 02:32:57,120
an hour

4161
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,800
30 frames or so

4162
02:33:01,910 --> 02:33:00,800
and then when the mist lifts the carcass

4163
02:33:04,630 --> 02:33:01,920
is gone

4164
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:04,640
there are instances where people have

4165
02:33:07,750 --> 02:33:06,479
experienced these myths coming over them

4166
02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:07,760
i've got

4167
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:10,399
one rather lengthy experience from

4168
02:33:14,710 --> 02:33:12,800
a sheriff's deputy from another county

4169
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:14,720
who was sitting in a squad car near a

4170
02:33:20,230 --> 02:33:17,520
marsh and he saw this sort of faintly

4171
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:20,240
green colored rolling mist all of a

4172
02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:22,560
sudden coming over the marsh toward him

4173
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:23,920
you know he's just looking at it and it

4174
02:33:26,469 --> 02:33:25,520
keeps coming and coming and when it hits

4175
02:33:28,950 --> 02:33:26,479
his car

4176
02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:28,960
all of his squad electronics go out the

4177
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:31,600
computer's gone the radio everything

4178
02:33:35,750 --> 02:33:33,040
that he'd been he'd just been parking

4179
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:35,760
there to catch up on his record keeping

4180
02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:37,520
when he checked his watch he realized

4181
02:33:41,030 --> 02:33:39,760
that there had been a bit of a time loss

4182
02:33:43,670 --> 02:33:41,040
as well

4183
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:43,680
and when the thing passed over the squad

4184
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:44,560
car

4185
02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:47,200
and then everything came back on and it

4186
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:49,600
made a right angle turn which rolling

4187
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:51,840
mist don't generally do and headed up a

4188
02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:53,760
path that went into a woods that's known

4189
02:33:58,469 --> 02:33:56,720
locally as the haunted woods

4190
02:34:01,030 --> 02:33:58,479
and he actually experienced this a

4191
02:34:05,270 --> 02:34:01,040
second time at a different marshy

4192
02:34:06,710 --> 02:34:05,280
and lake location in that same area

4193
02:34:08,389 --> 02:34:06,720
and i've had

4194
02:34:11,590 --> 02:34:08,399
numerous other

4195
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:11,600
people report these these mislike things

4196
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:12,640
so

4197
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:17,120
i found really interesting and i i think

4198
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:18,720
i will probably

4199
02:34:23,590 --> 02:34:22,160
uh continue to pursue that line of of

4200
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:23,600
inquiry because

4201
02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:24,560
um

4202
02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:26,319
they they seem again to have that sort

4203
02:34:29,830 --> 02:34:28,160
of sentience about them that they're

4204
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:29,840
aware somebody's there they want to go

4205
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:32,240
over and ex and experience it or see

4206
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:34,720
what it is and then they they leave and

4207
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:36,720
you are left with effects like missing

4208
02:34:39,910 --> 02:34:37,680
time

4209
02:34:42,469 --> 02:34:39,920
and um

4210
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,479
just odd electromagnetic effects on on

4211
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:44,399
your equipment that kind of thing

4212
02:34:52,710 --> 02:34:45,520
so

4213
02:34:54,309 --> 02:34:52,720
recurring theme through the book i

4214
02:34:57,429 --> 02:34:54,319
started with it and

4215
02:34:59,750 --> 02:34:57,439
i end with it too of

4216
02:35:01,349 --> 02:34:59,760
a hayfield in southeastern wisconsin

4217
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:01,359
where i've been assisting the property

4218
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:04,319
owner for over two years now

4219
02:35:08,389 --> 02:35:06,399
in trying to help figure out what is

4220
02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:08,399
mutilating animal carcasses on his

4221
02:35:10,950 --> 02:35:10,080
property

4222
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:10,960
and

4223
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:12,960
do

4224
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:15,200
what kind of animals

4225
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,640
well everything from just like roadkill

4226
02:35:22,150 --> 02:35:20,800
raccoon and badger to

4227
02:35:26,150 --> 02:35:22,160
um

4228
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:26,160
deer mostly i think he got up to 17

4229
02:35:30,550 --> 02:35:28,319
carcasses and and

4230
02:35:32,230 --> 02:35:30,560
we were strategically they're found dead

4231
02:35:35,030 --> 02:35:32,240
and then subsequently there's

4232
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:35,040
mysteriously disfigured is that

4233
02:35:39,990 --> 02:35:38,160
well yeah he was picking them up in

4234
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:40,000
illinois where he lived transporting

4235
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:42,479
them in his truck to his property

4236
02:35:47,030 --> 02:35:44,960
in wisconsin and then purposely placing

4237
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:47,040
them at a certain place where he'd

4238
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:49,520
observe this in just some um

4239
02:35:52,550 --> 02:35:50,880
he started out with one road killed

4240
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:52,560
raccoon that he just found and kind of

4241
02:35:57,429 --> 02:35:55,040
thrown through there

4242
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:57,439
into the tree line and then he came back

4243
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:59,520
and found that something had unzipped it

4244
02:36:03,670 --> 02:36:01,680
from its neck down to

4245
02:36:06,630 --> 02:36:03,680
the the bottom part was like lying on

4246
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:06,640
its back removed the contents

4247
02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:08,880
set them all neatly aside in one package

4248
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:11,680
which no small animal no

4249
02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:13,600
does no that would be that would be

4250
02:36:18,389 --> 02:36:16,319
lunch or dinner exactly it was just like

4251
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:18,399
a surgeon had put his hands in and

4252
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:20,000
you've seen them lift a heart out of

4253
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:21,520
everything and perfect everything was

4254
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:23,520
perfect and he came back 40 minutes

4255
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:24,479
later

4256
02:36:27,670 --> 02:36:26,479
and the entire

4257
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:27,680
piece of

4258
02:36:32,070 --> 02:36:29,120
interior

4259
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:32,080
raccoon was again picked up in one piece

4260
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:33,920
and taken somewhere else there were no

4261
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:36,640
little bits and scraps around and he's

4262
02:36:41,670 --> 02:36:39,520
thinking huh what did that you know and

4263
02:36:43,590 --> 02:36:41,680
so he tried a badger and then he

4264
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:43,600
managed to find a

4265
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:46,240
60-pound deer and the first time he put

4266
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:48,800
the deer out and put up the trail cams

4267
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:51,200
that's when he got that mist

4268
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:52,880
and realized he was dealing with

4269
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:55,359
something the mist would show up on it

4270
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:56,479
actually showed up in two different

4271
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:58,560
cameras so i know it wasn't a male fact

4272
02:37:02,710 --> 02:37:00,800
malfunctioning camera that and that was

4273
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:02,720
about when he called me and

4274
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:05,280
to help him out but what he discovered

4275
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:08,399
was there were large canine prints

4276
02:37:12,389 --> 02:37:10,560
whatever it was took the carcass lifted

4277
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:12,399
over a barbed wire fence and ran off

4278
02:37:16,950 --> 02:37:14,160
through a field with it

4279
02:37:18,630 --> 02:37:16,960
wow oh my i gotta compare notes with you

4280
02:37:20,950 --> 02:37:18,640
on that one

4281
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:20,960
yeah so and that's in the monsters among

4282
02:37:23,510 --> 02:37:21,920
us book

4283
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:23,520
linda godfrey tell our listeners where

4284
02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:25,600
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4285
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:28,960
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4286
02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:32,560
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4287
02:37:37,270 --> 02:37:35,200
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4288
02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:37,280
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4289
02:37:41,190 --> 02:37:39,120
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4290
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:41,200
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4291
02:37:45,190 --> 02:37:43,280
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4292
02:37:47,830 --> 02:37:45,200
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4293
02:37:49,830 --> 02:37:47,840
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4294
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:49,840
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4295
02:37:53,590 --> 02:37:51,600
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4296
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:53,600
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4297
02:37:57,590 --> 02:37:55,359
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4298
02:38:00,469 --> 02:37:57,600
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4299
02:38:02,950 --> 02:38:00,479
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4300
02:38:04,389 --> 02:38:02,960
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02:38:06,630 --> 02:38:04,399
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02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:08,880
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4304
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:11,120
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4305
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:12,640
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4306
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:14,720
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4307
02:38:17,910 --> 02:38:16,160
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4308
02:38:19,429 --> 02:38:17,920
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02:38:22,550 --> 02:38:19,439
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4310
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:22,560
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4311
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:25,040
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4312
02:38:30,150 --> 02:38:27,680
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02:38:56,150 --> 02:38:54,160
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4323
02:39:02,680 --> 02:38:56,160
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02:39:10,630 --> 02:39:08,790
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